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unblock

(52,285 posts)
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 03:54 PM Jan 2021

i'm all for impeaching donnie a second time, but let's get one thing clear:

impeachment, and in all likelihood, acquittal by the senate, is a rather toothless punishment and no substitute whatsoever for harsher measures with real consequences. even if the senate were to remove him a few days before he's gone anyway, it's of little real consequence.

people need to be tried and convicted and go to prison for 10 years at the bare minimum, and not just some of the random nutjobs who showed up and stormed the capitol. people in the white house, maybe cruz/hawley, maybe some of the capitol police officials.

the media needs to be made to marginalize the authoritarian crap they've been promoting for decades now. i don't know how to do this while respecting the first amendment, but some level of regulation and peer pressure and consequential government decisions are warranted. for instance, the government is certainly free to refuse to do business with companies that advertise and promote programs that advocate violence and bigotry.


to my mind, the only real merit of impeachment is that it becomes an awkward vote for a few republicans. but it's 2 years to the next election, so i don't know how much even that matters.


what really needs to happen is that we need to shore up our democracy and democratic institutions and make them fascist-proof. the next republican president will be more capable one way or another, so we can't make it such that 2024 is the start of the real fascist takover of america.

we've got a *lot* of work to do in the next 4 years. in fact, we may only have 2 years in which to do it.

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Arne

(2,041 posts)
2. We are dealing with fresh stinking crap Right now.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jan 2021

What can be done this week is still a valid question.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
3. The problem is not how this will look..
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 04:07 PM
Jan 2021

or what crimes can be charged in the future, but the right now. It's pretty pathetic that this kind of shit can happen and no one can do a damn thing about it. He can do anything he wants, and so can his peeps. We're sitting ducks.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
7. That vote doesn't require 2/3 - only majority present
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jan 2021

I am certain that will be reached and that Murkowski, Sasse and Romney would be yes votes

Maybe even Susan Collins would express her concern

unblock

(52,285 posts)
8. I'm sure if we could get 17 Republican senators to convict, we could get even more for that.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jan 2021

But it ain't happening.

bluestarone

(17,012 posts)
12. You're probably right BUT
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jan 2021

I have to add to the disagree list. I believe it WILL happen IF we give it our best shot!! Some rethugs are very pissed right now!

LeftInTX

(25,484 posts)
6. I just want him gone on Jan 20th!
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jan 2021

He's not gonna leave the WH...How are they gonna get him out? He will have SS that will protect him in the WH. You saw what happened with the capitol police.

He's not gonna leave.

I hate to say this is a real possibility: There will be a standoff with Trump and something really ugly is gone happen. It will not end well. He will not leave on his own.

We need him out of there on Jan 20th, but I'm afraid it will not happen. He will have loyal SS with him. There will be a standoff.....

Hugin

(33,177 posts)
9. This is the age old problem facing honest LEOs and others seeking Justice for generations...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:50 PM
Jan 2021

It's why they ultimately burn out, become cynical, and hold a deep belief that nobody really cares.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
11. This is also how you out the enemies of democracy
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:55 PM
Jan 2021

These seditionists will have their nay vote on record. Smoke them out!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
13. Nancy and Chuck's greatest challenge will be to walk and chew gum at the same time
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:59 PM
Jan 2021

We will need to allocate every single resource available to us to root out and punish the criminals in a very public fashion.

At the same time, we will need to create meaningful legislation and implement it in a very public fashion.

Thank God we have the best team in the world on our side. Let Adam Schiff head up the Congressional effort to wipe the shit stain of fascism off America's posterior.

I love this Democratic Party. We're deep, we're committed, and we're working with a mandate. Let's not waste one moment.

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