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Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:27 PM Jan 2021

Josh Hawley's Rage Why do so many Republicans appear to be at war with both truth and democracy

. . . Mr. Hawley has explained that the blame for society’s ills traces all the way back to Pelagius — a British-born monk who lived 17 centuries ago. In a 2019 commencement address at The King’s College, a small conservative Christian college devoted to “a biblical worldview,” Mr. Hawley denounced Pelagius for teaching that human beings have the freedom to choose how they live their lives and that grace comes to those who do good things, as opposed to those who believe the right doctrines.

The most eloquent summary of the Pelagian vision, Mr. Hawley went on to say, can be found in the Supreme Court’s 1992 opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Mr. Hawley specifically cited Justice Anthony Kennedy’s words reprovingly: “At the heart of liberty,” Kennedy wrote, “is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.” The fifth century church fathers were right to condemn this terrifying variety of heresy, Mr. Hawley argued: “Replacing it and repairing the harm it has caused is one of the challenges of our day.”

In other words, Mr. Hawley’s idea of freedom is the freedom to conform to what he and his preferred religious authorities know to be right. . .“We are called to take that message into every sphere of life that we touch, including the political realm,” Mr. Hawley said. “That is our charge. To take the Lordship of Christ, that message, into the public realm, and to seek the obedience of the nations. Of our nation!” . . .

Make no mistake: Mr. Hawley is a symptom, not a cause. He is a product of the same underlying forces that brought us President Trump and the present crisis of American democracy. Unless we find a way to address these forces and the fundamental pathologies that drive them, then next month or next year we will be forced to contend with a new and perhaps more successful version of Mr. Hawley.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/opinion/josh-hawley-religion-democracy.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Chilling, his world view is 180 degrees from mine. How can we get along with people like that?

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Josh Hawley's Rage Why do so many Republicans appear to be at war with both truth and democracy (Original Post) Hamlette Jan 2021 OP
That guy is a freak. pwb Jan 2021 #1
There has to be a picture a hooker snorting coke off Hawley's .. er .. 'manhood', somewhere. marble falls Jan 2021 #2
These guys absolutely (supposedly at least-- I don't know if they are sincere) believe dawg day Jan 2021 #3
Their version of Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with Christ mn9driver Jan 2021 #5
You cannot get along with them. I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2021 #4
They're in no way interested in a liberal democracy, what else do they have to do to prove they're uponit7771 Jan 2021 #6
Hey Hawley, Your religion is not the boss of me Walleye Jan 2021 #7
And do you get lordship with a spear, or a bomb? lindysalsagal Jan 2021 #8
"How can we get along with people like that?" Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #9
Yeesh gulliver Jan 2021 #10

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. These guys absolutely (supposedly at least-- I don't know if they are sincere) believe
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:32 PM
Jan 2021

that Christianity is the only religion, and that it must dictate everything-

That is, exactly the opposite of the religious freedom enshrined in the constitution.

They will, of course, say they are strict constitutionalists. And also, they prop up the least Christian man in the world, Donald Trump.

mn9driver

(4,427 posts)
5. Their version of Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with Christ
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:41 PM
Jan 2021

and everything to do with fascist control of the masses.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
4. You cannot get along with them.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:36 PM
Jan 2021

They are incompatible with humanity democracy,freedom and pro social values..

Why was seperation of church and state so important..?

Fanatic fuckers like hawley.

Get the fucking churches out of the capital, out of policy and out of politics completely.

No more prayer breakfasts with fanatic anti democracy churches and preachers. No more government bible studies. Keep that shit in churches. And after this tax the living fuck out of the churches.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. They're in no way interested in a liberal democracy, what else do they have to do to prove they're
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:45 PM
Jan 2021

... not interested?

Even before Trump they couldn't care

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
10. Yeesh
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:59 PM
Jan 2021

Imagine if a guy like that made it to the White House. I thought he was just dangerously cynical and power hungry. Turns out he's a nut.

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