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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 AM Jan 2021

Does anyone remember Jose Padilla?

Padilla was held for years in military custody with no formal charges. Critics said such a process would allow the U.S. government to detain citizens indefinitely without presenting the case that would eventually be tried.[26]

On December 21, 2005, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit refused to authorize a transfer from the Navy brig to civil court.[27][28] The court suggested that the administration was manipulating the federal court system with "intentional mooting" in order to avoid Supreme Court review. It said that the "shifting tactics in the case threatens [the government's] credibility with the courts."[29]

The Solicitor General Paul Clement said that the federal appeals court decision "defies both law and logic." He asked the Supreme Court authorize immediate transfer on December 30, 2005.[29] This took place one day after Padilla's lawyers filed a petition charging the president with overstepping his authority.[30]

On January 3, 2006, the U.S. Supreme Court granted a Bush administration request to transfer Padilla from military to civilian custody.[27] He was transferred to a federal prison in Miami while the Supreme Court decided whether to accept his appeal of the government's authority to keep US citizens it designates "enemy combatants" in open-ended military confinement without benefit of trial.

On April 3, 2006, the Supreme Court declined, with three justices dissenting from denial of certiorari, to hear Padilla's appeal from the 4th Circuit Court's decision. It left the 4th Circuit court's ruling that the president had the power to designate and detain him as an "enemy combatant" without charges and with disregard to habeas corpus.[31]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Padilla_%28criminal%29

Just wondering if any of these seditionist can be treated similarly ...
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Does anyone remember Jose Padilla? (Original Post) UpInArms Jan 2021 OP
It was wrong to deal with Jose Padilla in that way Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #1
I agree with you UpInArms Jan 2021 #2
I agree about importance Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #4
Agreed.. denbot Jan 2021 #3
I agree gratuitous Jan 2021 #14
I have no doubt Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #15
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2021 #17
They threw the MK ULTRA at him. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #5
Accountability in public would be better to heal Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #6
EXACTLTY nt TigressDem Jan 2021 #8
I hope this is the way it goes. Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #9
TRUTH hurts sometimes, but LIES only fester and cause more damage. TigressDem Jan 2021 #10
100% Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #11
Wait, where is he now? "Supermax" prison in Florence, Colorado until 2026 TigressDem Jan 2021 #7
Frightenly scary. Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #12
Fuck the carceral state. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #13
And of course of all Trump's henchmen radius777 Jan 2021 #16
That's messed up! LeftInTX Jan 2021 #18

Cirque du So-What

(25,980 posts)
1. It was wrong to deal with Jose Padilla in that way
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:08 AM
Jan 2021

and it’d be wrong to treat any of these seditionists that way either. Once that methodology becomes acceptable, it could be used on any of us.

Cirque du So-What

(25,980 posts)
4. I agree about importance
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jan 2021

The atrocities of the Bush years must not be repeated. True justice does not permit those abuses.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. I agree
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

But I've already heard the distant echoes of "They're treating us like we're criminals" mewling up from the ranks of the insurrectionists. The traitor at the airport weeping manly tears that someone had called him a terrorist comes to mind.

I'm confident that the insurrectionists, unlike Jose Padilla, will get the full benefit of their rights under our criminal justice system, access to competent counsel, a chance to confront their accusers, to examine all the evidence against them, and to cross-examine or impeach the witnesses to their crimes. So when they whine about how badly they're being treated by due process, I don't think it would be out of line to remind them how Jose Padilla was treated by our justice system, a treatment that I'd bet a shiny nickel they endorsed.

Cirque du So-What

(25,980 posts)
15. I have no doubt
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jan 2021

that every last mother’s one of MAGAts participating in the siege of the Capitol applauded torture, extraordinary rendition, and any other counterproductive technique from the Bush years.

I hope those arrested get to experience tried-and-true interrogation techniques from professionals -none of which include waterboarding or electrodes attached to testicles.

Bluethroughu

(5,192 posts)
6. Accountability in public would be better to heal
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 AM
Jan 2021

Our country.

We need these people covered in trial so the other 75million that voted for this creep, will understand the error of their ways, or at least try to enlighten.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
10. TRUTH hurts sometimes, but LIES only fester and cause more damage.
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:46 AM
Jan 2021

Pull the band aid now or chop off the leg after gangrene consumes it.

Those who followed this tyrant must be dealt with now before they spread their disease further into the country.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
7. Wait, where is he now? "Supermax" prison in Florence, Colorado until 2026
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_%28criminal%29


Still in Jail and an increased sentence. Padilla is serving his sentence at the "Supermax" prison in Florence, Colorado. Padilla's prisoner number is 20796-424; his projected release date is February 15, 2026.

In August 2007, a federal jury found him guilty of conspiring to commit murder and fund terrorism. Government officials had earlier claimed Padilla was suspected of planning to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in the United States, but he was never charged with this crime. He was initially sentenced to 17 years in prison, which was increased on appeal to 21 years. His lawsuits against the military for allegedly torturing him were rejected by the courts for lack of merit and jurisdictional issues.


2 of 3 psychological evaluations found him unfit to contribute to his own defense.

In January 2007, a mental competency hearing was scheduled for Padilla for February 22, 2007. Two mental health experts hired by the defense to conduct a competency evaluation concluded Padilla was not mentally fit for trial; a third evaluation submitted by the Bureau of Prisons found him mentally competent.



HOWEVER, he took some test that showed he did NOT have PTSD. Hmmmmm.



So reading about his young life, he PROBABLY he was "guilty" BUT he still should have had a trial at the start of all this an not just thrown away to rot.

It's also possible he had turned his life to peace and was caught up in the insanity of the situation.

No one will ever know for sure now, maybe not even Jose Padilla. Who knows what kind of tactics were used because it was all cloak and dagger, not in the open.












radius777

(3,635 posts)
16. And of course of all Trump's henchmen
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jan 2021

will be (or have already been) pardoned for in some cases worse crimes.

How 'justice' in America works.

LeftInTX

(25,555 posts)
18. That's messed up!
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jan 2021

Didn't know that he was in Gitmo...US Citizen, not a citizen of another country (to the best of my knowledge)..

That's really messed up.

I can see holding him for a month or so, but then you need to charge them...

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