So... The repugs all seem to be making the same argument...

[Ohio Joe]

'The magats will get more violent if the orange menace is impeached again'

WTF? More violent than commiting murder during an act of insurrection at the nations capital? Well... We won't have an accomplice in the White House keeping defences away so... Let them try.

[catbyte]

1. That's the same argument witnesses use in refusing to testify against a mob boss.

Goddamned cowards.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Same argument abusers make. Call the cops and I will kill you. nt

[catbyte]

6. True. That was the case in the one trial in which I was a juror.

We convicted him and he's currently serving 25 years to life.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Good for you! The wife and kids are now safe. nt

[catbyte]

15. Yeah, it was awful. He slashed her throat with a steak knife because she took the car keys

"without his permission." As he was driving her and their kids to the hospital, he forced her to tell ER staff a cockamamie story about her "falling on the knife after slipping on the wet kitchen floor while doing dishes." When he was out of the room, the wife told the medical staff what really happened. They called the police and they arrested him on the spot. Luckily, he didn't have money for bail so she never had to deal with him again. Her testimony was awesome. She had zero fucks left to give for this clown.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Good for her! He can threaten his fellow inmates and see how far that gets him. nt

[Ohio Joe]

19. Exactly the same - nt

[brewens]

2. I guess that's the way it has to be. Let them get more violent and beat them down. Raze their

villages, burn their crops and salt the ground. metaphorically speaking of course.

[Hortensis]

3. Political scientists are calling this a self-coup, or autogolpe, coup from INSIDE.

Pug behaviors in embracing Trump, their defeat of the first impeachment for his democracy-defeating, betrayals in the 2016 Trump-Russia election, and now progressing to Republican-supported attempted self-coup, are damning.

THE STEADY BLUE LINE IN THE GRAPH FOR COMMITMENT TO DEMOCRACY IS US!

How experts define the deadly mob attack at the U.S. Capitol
An insurrection? A coup? Political scientists have a definition for what transpired: an autogolpe, or self-coup.

... A self-coup happens when a head of government, like a president or prime minister, attempts to seize extraordinary control over that government from within. That could mean suspending the Constitution, for instance, dissolving a legislative body or overturning the results of an otherwise free and fair election.

What differentiates a self-coup from a coup is that the threat to governance comes from within the government itself. In the United States, for instance, Trump has tried to pressure lawmakers and election officials to toss out ballots for his opponent and name alternate slates of electors based on bogus assertions the election was “stolen.” Those false claims, echoed by the president’s supporters in Congress, culminated with an angry mob of armed Trump supporters ransacking the U.S. Capitol and disrupting the official tally of electoral votes.

“I think it is absolutely justified to ask whether or not what occurred yesterday in Washington, D.C., was an attempted autogolpe or ‘merely’ an insurrection,” ... U.S. Naval Academy. Another expert using the term “self-coup” is Fiona Hill, a former Russia adviser to the Trump White House. Hill wrote this week in Politico that the post-election actions of Trump and his Republican allies qualify.

Since 1900, according to ... there have been at least 64 attempted self-coups around the world (some other sources put the tally even higher). Nearly all of them occurred in countries with autocratic systems of government at the time of the attempt, according to historical democracy ratings compiled by V-Dem.

“Autogolpes tend to occur in places where democracy is already troubled or eroding; they generally don’t occur in well-performing, advanced liberal democracies,” ... In the pre-Trump era, the characterization of the United States as an “advanced liberal democracy” would have been incontrovertible. But scholars have noted with alarm an erosion of democratic values in this country, a regression that has intensified under Trump. That erosion paved the way for the violence at the Capitol last week.

That creeping authoritarianism is happening almost exclusively within the Republican Party. Party-level data tracked by V-Dem shows that members of the GOP now routinely demonize opponents as illegitimate, and appear increasingly amenable to the use of violence to achieve political ends. Just hours after the Capitol assault, a majority of House Republicans voted against certifying Biden’s election based on a conspiratorial insistence — and despite the lack of evidence — that the results were fraudulent. ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=691

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/13/autogolpe-self-coup-capitol/

[Wellstone ruled]

16. So spot on.

You just shook up my limited Grey Matter. Do recall my Poly Sci Prof going there about a inside Coup. He himself was a Refugee of WW2 who witnessed first hand what happened in Eourpe during the thirties and early forties.

Once again,we are seeing Group Think or Stockholm Syndrome in playing out. Sounds like a Frank Luntz three by five card response passed among the Rethug members.

[global1]

4. And Trump's Not Telling His Supporters To Cut This Violent Rhetoric....

is just further proof that he deserves to be impeached - that he is intent on destroying this democracy.

[Ohio Joe]

7. Yup, I agree completely - nt

[bdamomma]

9. tRump is a thug

and vengeful POS, it is the if I can't be President, no one else should be, scenario. He needs to be bodily removed.

[randr]

8. So we are expected to let the bullies rule?

Chicken shit Repubs need their asses kicked.

[treestar]

10. That's letting them have their way because they threaten violence

That's just giving in. What message would that send them?

[Cracklin Charlie]

12. What will the head magat do if he's not removed?

The way to take out terrorists is to remove their leadership.
Someone is directing their movements. They must be dealt with, be they plumbers, senator, or president. Do your job, Congress!

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. That is a chance I'm willing to take.

IMPEACH THE TRAITOR!!

[radius777]

14. Whatever happened to their 'never backdown to terrorists' mantra

they supposedly believe in. Oh, I forgot that's when the terrorists were brown folks.

The Repubs also keep bringing up Antifa/BLM as their favorite 'both sides do it' argument.

Protesting against fascism/racism is the opposite of attemping a coup in favor of it.

The looting/property destruction that occurred during the Floyd riots, while not something that should happen, are the result of frustration at injustice boiling over. Unlike the MAGAts who are just upset that their white privilege is being challenged and are throwing a violent tantrum in response.

[Make7]

18. terrorism ― The unlawful use of violence or threat of violence

terrorism — The unlawful use of violence or threat of violence, often motivated by religious, political, or other ideological beliefs, to instill fear and coerce individuals, governments or societies in pursuit of terrorist goals.

DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. That sounds like terroristic threats and demands

We shouldn't even consider them. The thing that makes this event scarier than even something like 9/11 is that the perps had people embedded within the WH, throughout the national government, and even among the people tasked with protecting our leaders HELPING them commit their crimes. That should make everybody scared out of their minds. Not to get too far out there but it almost reminds me of how the Jedi probably felt once they learned Palpatine was the Sith Lord they were looking for and had to figure out how to take him down. Not to mention the fact that the Jedi were, horrifyingly, largely wiped out in fell swoop by their own genetically-programmed troops once Palpatine had survived the Jedi's capture/assassination and activated them.