Since Turtle refused to remove him, Trump preparing to pardon himself, family, terrorists

[CousinIT]

Just heard on MSNBC. Now, they didn't say who he was going to pardon, just that more pardons were coming.

We can pretty much count on him pardoning the terrorists/insurrectionists, and likely himself and family.

That's his 'fuck you' on the way out the door -- or one of the many of them.

Maybe he won't pardon any of the above-mentioned. But it seems likely he will -- HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVICTED AND REMOVED THIS WEEK!

That Trump the Terrorist and the terrorists who helped him attack our capitol will get away with this SCOT-FREE, is solely on MITCH MCCONNELL.

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. Olbermann said in his daily 2 min vid that simply Impeachment prevents him from pardoning

There seems to be confusion about this...

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Olberman is wrong, and it is an embarrassing, ignorant mistake for him to make

I haven’t been following him since he returned to politics, and this egregious error affirms my choice.

[bullimiami]

2. i strongly believe a self-pardon and any pardon tied to his criminal conduct will be overturned.

even by this court.

[Bradshaw3]

3. If he pardons the terrorists he will be convicted in the senate

And it will create a firestorm to prosecute him and his fellow terrorists through the states. Is he stupid enough to do it anyway, of course.

[exboyfil]

22. Ironically given the state charges

He would still be in a lot of trouble, but the rabble gets a pass since most of the crimes (with the possible exception of state conspiracy charges) are pardonable because it happened in Washington, DC. A pardon that kids killing a cop ain't going to go over well with traditional Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

4. I don't think he will pardon the insurrectionists...as it would be admitting his guilt.

[wishstar]

5. Steve Bannon and Giuliani are both under legal jeopardy from DOJ and probably will get pardoned

Don Jr could be prosecuted for lying to the Senate in Mueller probe so he needs a pre-emptive pardon too.

[malaise]

6. Let him dream on

Let's go Merrick.

[Maru Kitteh]

9. THIS!

It's going to be one hell of a show malaise! I'll bring some popcorn and refreshments!

[malaise]

18. I'm bringing

Blue Nun

[exboyfil]

7. I think he stays away from any pardons that obviously include

the insurrection. It will be general preemptive pardons ala Ford to Nixon for all federal crimes up to the point the pardon is signed for his family and close advisors/conspirators. He probably will try to self pardon as well.

If he includes the rabble in the mix, then he risks upsetting the whole apple cart. This would be like a Carter Vietnam avoidance pardon, and the nation would be so disgusted that the Supreme Court be insane to uphold them.

Upholding these pardons means a President can hire Blackwater next time and kill whoever he wants. At least under US law, there would be no accountability.

[Thekaspervote]

21. Agree. Turtle's statements about convicting him has him throttled. Turtle essentially said STFU

Or else!!

Not to mention pardoning the terrorists....there’s nothing in it for him

[obamanut2012]

8. He cannot pardon himself for anything he was impeached for

As per the Constitution. And, there is a legit Constitutional argument that can be interpreted that he cannot pardon co-conspirators of those impeachment charges.

[brooklynite]

10. WHY can we "count on him pardoning the terrorists/insurrectionists"?

Unless you believe that they were directly linked to him in planning and organization, they can't put him at any greater risk of indictment than he already is.

[malaise]

19. He was impeached for inciting them

That will not stand up in court

[brooklynite]

20. Impeachment has no weight in a Court of Law.

[Gore1FL]

11. There is nothing in it for him to pardon the insurrectionists.

That would cost him more than it could ever benefit him. He may try to do it for himself, his family, and allies. I am not even sure if Rudy falls into the "allies" camp anymore.

[sboatcar]

12. The more people involved with this that he pardons

The more that can then be compelled to tell the incriminating stuff in court, because they won't be incriminating themselves anymore.

[padah513]

13. I'm looking for a wholesale pardoning spree

Then a last-second resignation and a pardon from Pence

[yellowcanine]

26. Nope. Pence will not pardon him.

[Turin_C3PO]

14. He'll probably pardon

his family and close allies. I’d be surprised if he pardons the insurrectionists because it would look terrible and likely increase his risk of serious criminal charges.

[cbdo2007]

15. He has already been impeached so he can't pardon his co-conspirators...

for that specific item. Not to mention that some of them haven't even been charged. Him pardoning them would count as part of the conspiracy so I doubt that would hold up in court, but will be fun to see this get shot down in the courts.

I think he is done pardoning and think he likes to take people down with the ship with him. He thinks they are all in it together.

[farmbo]

27. This would also apply to Stone, Flynn, and Bannon

Article ll of the Constitution prohibits presidential pardons “... in cases of impeachment.”

Trump has already pardoned Flynn and Stone for their Mueller Report and Russian collusion convictions.... but I don’t see how those pardons can apply to their actions in regard to the January 6 insurrection, since that is precisely what the Congress has charged in Impeachment 2.0. They would appear to be co- conspirators with Trump in his Senate “case of impeachment.”

Of course, investigations will need to link Stone, Flynn, And Bannon to the January 6 events, but this may be the pathway for us to finally bring these three fascists to justice.

[DemoTex]

16. Pardons, Obstruction-of-Justice, and Rule-of-Law walk into a bar ..

Donald Trump is the bartender, and he sets them up to multiple drinks. Trump has a few snorts of whatever it is he snorts. Soon, they are all roaring drunk. Putin walks in, and remarks on how cold it is in the bar. Trump pulls out the United States Constitition and sets it afire for temporary warmth.

The End

[Pobeka]

23. Legal or not, he'll pardon whoever he wants to pardon.

Who does he want to pardon?

The vindictive pardon:
--- anyone whose pardon will infuriate Trump's "enemies".
e.g. insurrectionists (albeit he may be conflicted if he really does understand this could put him in more legal jeapordy)
child molesters
crooks

The grift pardon:
--- anyone whose pardon he thinks will generate more loyalty to him, that Trump hasn't currently thrown under the bus.
e.g. probably most of his family is in this category, as well as Stephen Miller, Bannon, Stone (again).

[CousinIT]

28. Sort of what I figure. Evil + stupid does what Evil + stupid does. n/t

[UTUSN]

24. Will it be Friday dump or Inauguration Eve for maximum stunt impact?

[yellowcanine]

25. Not sure of that. Would guarantee conviction if he pardons

insurrectionists and a self pardon is not going to work. So corrupt pardons would be added to the list of charges.