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One more investigation: what happened to all the vaccines? (Original Post) question everything Jan 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #1
Apparently, there never was a stockpile. Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #2
Not true. tavernier Jan 2021 #3
First off, you must realize that the Turd Reich passed on reserving nearly enough. Hugin Jan 2021 #4
But Timewas Jan 2021 #7
+1 Hugin Jan 2021 #12
Nope Timewas Jan 2021 #15
That 'didn't order enough' story is where I'd start investigating... mpcamb Jan 2021 #8
Bingo! Hugin Jan 2021 #14
This x 1000 Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #11
No doubt. Hugin Jan 2021 #13
WaPo: "Vaccine reserve was exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it, lapucelle Jan 2021 #5
Simple question: who lied, why? When? How? question everything Jan 2021 #10
That's a great question... lapucelle Jan 2021 #16
Seems I read this last week dweller Jan 2021 #6
Biden announced he will use the Defense Production Act to increase vaccine production question everything Jan 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #22
From 1/8/21 dweller Jan 2021 #24
Hopefully there will be hearings to bluestarone Jan 2021 #9
In a short time, Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #17
Did they look underneath that pile of PPE they stockpiled in case of an emergency? Midnight Writer Jan 2021 #19
To be fair, it's unreasonable to expect anyone to organize vaccine effective distribution while struggle4progress Jan 2021 #23

Response to question everything (Original post)

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
2. Apparently, there never was a stockpile.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:07 PM
Jan 2021

I’m just glad this came out now rather than after Biden’s inauguration. No way to blame it in him.

Hugin

(33,162 posts)
4. First off, you must realize that the Turd Reich passed on reserving nearly enough.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:09 PM
Jan 2021

So, this blunder is possibly cover for that, I guess they feel we'll hate them less for a 'mystery' than criminal malfeasance and manslaughter.

Also, when it's a member of the Trump clan involved you'd better bet some percentage of the vaccine stores fell off of the back of a truck into rich people's arms.

mpcamb

(2,871 posts)
8. That 'didn't order enough' story is where I'd start investigating...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:15 PM
Jan 2021

The crime family smells money and the conniving begins.

Response to mpcamb (Reply #8)

Response to Hugin (Reply #4)

lapucelle

(18,268 posts)
5. WaPo: "Vaccine reserve was exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jan 2021
dashing hopes of expanded access."

States were anticipating a windfall after federal officials said they would stop holding back second doses. But the approach had already changed, and no stockpile exists.

When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses that had been held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans. The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available, starting at the end of December, taking second doses for the two-dose regimen directly off the manufacturing line.

Now, health officials across the country who had anticipated their extremely limited vaccine supply as much as doubling beginning next week are confronting the reality that their allocations will remain largely flat, dashing hopes of dramatically expanding access for millions of elderly people and those with high-risk medical conditions. Health officials in some cities and states were informed in recent days about the reality of the situation, while others were still in the dark
Friday.

Because both of the vaccines authorized for emergency use in the United States are two-dose regimens, the Trump administration’s initial policy was to hold back second doses to protect against manufacturing disruptions. But that approach shifted in recent weeks, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.


You can read the rest here...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

question everything

(47,486 posts)
10. Simple question: who lied, why? When? How?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jan 2021

Would love to see Azar charged. For something. How did we go from releasing everything to oops?

lapucelle

(18,268 posts)
16. That's a great question...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:27 PM
Jan 2021

But it also meant there was no stockpile of second doses waiting to be shipped, as Trump administration officials suggested this week. Azar, at a briefing Tuesday, said, “Because we now have a consistent pace of production, we can now ship all of the doses that had been held in physical reserve.” He explained the decision as part of the “next phase” of the nation’s vaccination campaign.

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In an email that reached some state officials on Friday morning, Christopher Sharpsten, an Operation Warp Speed director, called it a “false rumor” that “the federal government was holding back vaccine doses in warehouses to guarantee a second/booster dose.”

In fact, that information had come from Azar, who said Tuesday the “next phase” of the country’s vaccination campaign involved “releasing the entire supply we have for order by states, rather than holding second doses in physical reserve.”

snip=================================================================================

Azar initially said the Biden plan was shortsighted and potentially unethical in putting people at risk of missing their booster shots. When he embraced the change four days later, however, he did not say the original policy had already been phased out, or that the stockpile had been exhausted. Both Trump administration officials and Biden’s team have sought to reassure the public that increasing the pace of immunizations would not endanger booster shots.

snip==============================================================================

There was additional confusion from another change Azar announced this week — making allocation of doses dependent on how quickly states administer them. He originally said that would not take effect for two weeks.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

dweller

(23,641 posts)
6. Seems I read this last week
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:13 PM
Jan 2021

That Biden would release all vaccines first thing, then fatnixon said they would do it now ... so now the news is, there was none?

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question everything

(47,486 posts)
20. Biden announced he will use the Defense Production Act to increase vaccine production
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:58 PM
Jan 2021

I wonder how long it will take to get them


Response to dweller (Reply #6)

dweller

(23,641 posts)
24. From 1/8/21
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:20 PM
Jan 2021
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/08/bidens-plan-to-end-policy-of-keeping-covid-vaccine-doses-in-reserve-is-the-first-step-in-a-more-difficult-journey/

Biden’s plan to end policy of keeping Covid vaccine doses in reserve is the first step in a difficult journey

From 1/12/21

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/12/trump-vaccine-covid-older-adults-458114

Trump to prioritize older adults for Covid vaccines, release all doses

this pisses me off big time
🤬

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Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
17. In a short time,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:28 PM
Jan 2021

There will be a nationwide policy and distribution network under President Biden. Trump's people, as usual, offered no federal guidance or plan. Priority #1 at this point, I would say, is to make sure second shots are available for those who've already had the first one.

My daughter is Vaccine coordinator at our local hospital where she is an RN/Administrator. I was shocked to hear that only 60% had been vaccinated so far, even that had enough doses for everyone. She explained they could have done everyone on the first day they had them, but they are doing them in stages so that if a large number have symptomatic reactions, it won't take as many personnel out of the picture at once. So far, things are going well and as planned,

Elderly people in the general population like my wife and myself should be getting out first on in a few weeks. The population in our county is only 60,000, so I won't be in my car waiting in line for four hours in a baseball stadium parking lot to get it. I will be notified and given an appointment at our local clinic where my family doctor works. With proper planning, this can all be done in an organized manner, something the Trump administration knows nothing about.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
19. Did they look underneath that pile of PPE they stockpiled in case of an emergency?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:35 PM
Jan 2021

Don't blame Trump.

He's not a supply clerk.

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