If conviction after his term only prevents him from holding office again, why bother?

[Zipgun]

Seriously, it seems that conviction in that case only helps Mitch McConnell. Might be better to have Trump fighting with McConnell for control of the GOP than knocking him out of that contest. Is there a time as to when the impeachment has to be presented to the Senate? More and more it's looking like Trump will once again face no real consequences. Maybe the NY investigations will do something, but not likely jail time. Banking issues will likely penalize those in the bank that helped him, but not much more. The loans might bankrupt him again. Might. Sure, going to loose a lot of money and be dragged into a bunch of lawsuits. But I am feeling that he will never really face the kind of consequences he deserves. Our system is so broken.

[woodsprite]

1. Would conviction after take away his lifetime SS protection, $200k salary, $1mil travel budget? nt

[njhoneybadger]

6. My understand was yes, but if he resigned it wouldn't.

[Zipgun]

24. My understanding is that it wouldn't, only removal while in office would take that away, and Turtle

took that possibility away. Once again protecting Trump from consequences. Not to help Trump, but because it benefited McConnell. Every day I despise McConnell even more.

[ace3csusm]

7. YES...That alone would be worth it...

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. This

That bastard has stolen enough from us. We shouldn't allow him to steal any thing else.

[Generic Brad]

10. Yes, but incarceration would give him 3 hots and a cot

Soon he will only be able to afford only the best public defender money can't buy. We'll continue paying him one way or another for the remainder of his life.

[Hekate]

23. My husband says not. I hope he's wrong.

Mitch McConnell is one of the most corrupt politicians in our history.

[Zipgun]

25. McConnell is the other malignant tumor in our nation.

McConnell's protection of Trump for McConnell's own gain is an unprecedented betrayal of our country.

[mackdaddy]

26. Snopes says a mixture, but it is not so cut and dried.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/impeached-president-lose-benefits/

[StarfishSaver]

30. No.

Conviction can never take away his Secret Service protection.

And conviction can only take away his pension and budget if he's removed from office.

[servermsh]

2. Because he could run and win again, that's why. n/t

[soothsayer]

13. This

[Blue_true]

32. And if he wins, our democracy is done, because he won't fail at undermining it a second time.

Joe Biden will face a tough 4 years given the mess he is inheriting, there will be mistakes, even major ones. We can let Trump be the beneficiary of Joe working to right the country and not getting all of it right on the first try. Trump is a master con artist and we have many tens of millions of totally gullible Americans. Can’t take chance and make assumptions.

[Progressive dog]

3. Rule of law

Justice

[andym]

4. As a lesson to future leaders who would even think about promoting an insurrection

It sets a precedent, which could be used later. Trump's not the first, nor will he be the last un-American leader.

[Zipgun]

27. Dying in prison is the example that Trump needs to be for future leaders.

Current GOP politicians as well. But it is looking more and more like once again he will walk away with others paying far greater penalties for his actions.

[andym]

29. Prison and conviction in the Senate are not mutually exclusive

Far from it. They go together hand in glove. Both are merited, let's see what NY state has as well.

[Sogo]

31. Maybe he'll die in prison by polonium poisoning....

You got a beat on that?

[Blue_true]

34. Our system would put him in prison. I say that it would need to be a super-Max with him having

No outside contact. The man is a deep threat to democracy.

I was reading a little bit of Soviet Union history. When Joseph Stalin died, a man named Lavrenty Beria basically staged a power grab with two associates. Beria was a real bastard (and serial rapist, as will be detailed in 2028), Stalin called him the Soviet Himmler and Stalin feared him. Beria consolidated power after Stalin died and led for about three years, but, he made a critical mistake, he didn’t wipe out his near peers in the communist hierarchy like Stalin usually did, the most prominent being Nikita Khrushchev and Vyacheslav Molotov. What happened is that Khrushchev secretly undermined Beria and finally called a meeting of the Central Committee, where he disposed Beria with the help of Molotov and others, and one other member that Beria thought was his friend. Khrushchev didn’t waste time, before the meeting he had cooped key members of the military and they quickly arrested higher ups that were loyal to Beria, as well as block military units that were loyal to him. Khrushchev quickly convened trials out of public view and tried Beria and Beria’s loyal leaders, none of the people had defense representation. Of course Beria and the others were convicted. The Beria followers were executed immediately after being convicted, like right in the courtroom. Beria was killed a couple days later, begging for his life on his knees before being kicked to the floor and shot in the forehead by a military officer.

For those that think Trump is no longer a threat, he is very much a threat, every minute that he holds power. You better bet that there are parts of the military loyal to Trump, the question is how much of it. Khrushchev’s neutralization of a very dangerous man that even Joseph Stalin feared should serve as a warning that you can’t take an evil person who has a singular focus for granted.

[hlthe2b]

5. I haven't seen many here sharing your opinions on this. But always good to have a contrarian

Welcome to DU

[Zipgun]

28. I am not a contrarian, been around a long time, and am just depressed with how the system always

seems to have an out for him. I don't want his life to be a hassle or inconvenience, I want him broken.

[Phoenix61]

9. Will make it easier for those who file a civil suit

for injury and/or wrongful death. It will force Republicans to pick a side further cementing their divide. It’s on Mitch that it will happen after he’s out of office. It’s how the system works.

[Wounded Bear]

11. He'll probably die before 2024, but it's the principle of the thing...

I want him humiliated before he dies.

As for when the trial happens, I don't think legally that the Senate can just drop it. They will have to do something moving forward, and this time I expect witnesses and everything, like a real trial.

[Doreen]

12. If that is the only thing then so be it.

He would not have a chance to get in again because we know there are enough people who could possibly get him in if he was allowed to run.

I think he should not be allowed to run for ANYTHING that has to do with government. I am talking not even any elected town official.

[Walleye]

14. If he's acquitted, I guarantee you he will be out the next day with one of his hate rallies

[Brother Mythos]

15. Because it cuts off one of Trump's few remaining profitable revenue streams, ...

receiving campaign contributions from the rubes that he can plow back into his failing businesses.

[Dan]

16. It forces the GOP Senators to declare what they stand for....

[Lars39]

17. Endless campaign rallies.

[treestar]

18. It would be worth it or he will be running for 2024 starting now

the media will give him attention for that.

[MineralMan]

19. That's not all it does, but thanks for dropping by to ask...

[LuvLoogie]

20. I want to see his sack-sucking footmen

defend that bigoted, grifting shit soul.

[Atticus]

21. Is this a serious question? nt

[Ms. Toad]

22. You really liked 2016, eh?

Trump (and his followers) are dangerous. Your reasoning is the same as those who registered as Republican for the primary to ensure he was the Republican nominee, since he was such a joke - or who were thrilled when he won the primary (for the same reason).

Anything that eliminates the possibility that he will be a candidate in 2024 is worth it. Far too many underestimate his draw.

[Zipgun]

35. Not at all, eh. Trump and McConnell are like having a malignant tumor and a deadly virus at the same

time. Trying to treat on lets the other run rampant and both are killing the body.

[StarfishSaver]

33. Picture it: It's 2046 and President Barron Trump, in honor of his late father's 100th birthday

orders an insurrection intended to avoid having to run for reelection in 2048 and cement his ability to serve for life. Because Barron is no smarter or popular than his disgraced father, the insurrection fails, just like his father's did and he is impeached by the House of Representatives.

When the Senate takes up the trial, he is acquitted by one vote. The Senators who voted for acquittal were apparently swayed by the legal scholars and historians who testified that conviction and removal is not an appropriate penalty for inciting an insurrection, as evidenced by the fact that the last time a president was impeached for inciting an insurrection, not only was the president not convicted, but the Senate didn't even bother taking the matter to trial ...

Precedent matters ...