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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:40 PM Jan 2021

Joe Biden Is Sounding Like Bernie Sanders at Just the Right Time

Joe Biden Is Sounding Like Bernie Sanders at Just the Right Time
The president-elect put economic inequality in the middle of his plan to revive the country's economy, a sign that for the first time in a long while, the federal government knows what it's there for.

By Charles P. Pierce
Jan 15, 2021

On Thursday night, we saw President-Elect Joe Biden bow to the iron constraints of The Blog's First Law of Economics. To wit:

Fck the deficit. People got no jobs. People got no money.


To which we have added the codicil:

People got the 'Rona.


For decades, Biden's been a fiscal liberal, but one who was willing to cut deals that made him look less like a liberal and more like a creature of the mushy center. On Thursday, with a $1.9 trillion "American Rescue Plan," he declared himself firmly on the side of Professor Keynes.
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No hedging. Not even a head fake toward The Deficit. Nothing about tax cuts. We will spend, and spend big, because that's what this unprecedented double crisis demands. ...

To hear Joe Biden sounding like Bernie Sanders, and to hear him put economic inequality in the middle of his plan to revive the country's economy, is to hear for the first time in a long while that the federal government knows what it's there for. After four miserable years being in thrall to the whims of an incompetent president,* and a Republican Congress that repurposed itself as nothing more than the Human Resources department of the federal judiciary, the federal government is stirring again to act on its own. If nothing else, Joe Biden knows where all the levers are. That, in itself, is a cause for hope.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a35230188/joe-biden-covid-pandemic-recovery-plan/
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Joe Biden Is Sounding Like Bernie Sanders at Just the Right Time (Original Post) mcar Jan 2021 OP
AAAAAA... luv2fly Jan 2021 #1
end the F35 program and we'lll have loads of $$. Somebody might not like that tho nt msongs Jan 2021 #2
There's a thought mcar Jan 2021 #4
Do you think Joe Biden wants to end F-35s bigtree Jan 2021 #8
not speaking for joe biden nt msongs Jan 2021 #12
hmm bigtree Jan 2021 #18
Biden needs to give Manchin, Sinema, etc. "The Johnson treatment" Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #3
Don't think that was the point of the OP, but OK. mcar Jan 2021 #5
Biden sounds like Sanders was the topic, my point is he can't do anything like Sanders Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #7
Biden is going to govern like Biden. Why do we need to make comparisons, especially to someone.... George II Jan 2021 #33
LBJ was never president? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #34
Didn't you say "he is free to govern like Sanders"? When was he President? George II Jan 2021 #35
I was responding to the OP- Biden is free to govern however he chooses, but only if filibuster dies. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #36
Thank you, mcar. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #6
I trust Biden and Harris mcar Jan 2021 #10
To me Biden sounded like the New Dealers using federal deficit Hortensis Jan 2021 #9
I agree mcar Jan 2021 #11
:) You put it well. And their agreement on what needs doing Hortensis Jan 2021 #14
... mcar Jan 2021 #22
+1 betsuni Jan 2021 #16
+1 nt brer cat Jan 2021 #23
For me Joe's speech was his.... JoeOtterbein Jan 2021 #13
If he gets the $15 minimum wage done it would be monumental BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #15
one suspects there will a considerable waiting time to get to that amount. IMO just msongs Jan 2021 #19
Still an achievement either way. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #20
Other places did it over time. It helps businesses to adjust . JI7 Jan 2021 #26
I disagree but it's a good start. aidbo Jan 2021 #17
Really? To me he sounds like a democrat. GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #21
He sure does mcar Jan 2021 #24
Yup, he sounds like he always does. In the end it's about getting things done JI7 Jan 2021 #25
Yes, he sounds like a Democrat, has actual plans. betsuni Jan 2021 #27
I think it's because Joe has so much empathy marlakay Jan 2021 #28
The empathy just shines from him mcar Jan 2021 #29
Yeah, it sounds like Joe Biden to me! Cha Jan 2021 #30
We are, Cha! mcar Jan 2021 #31
Yes.. bc that's what Cha Jan 2021 #32

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
8. Do you think Joe Biden wants to end F-35s
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:54 PM
Jan 2021

...will he halt the ramped-up production approved by the Pentagon in December?



bigtree

(85,998 posts)
18. hmm
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:17 PM
Jan 2021

...there's no daylight between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden on F-35s, except, possibly on where the next president chooses to sell them.

Yes, I understood the inference of your F-35 remark.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
3. Biden needs to give Manchin, Sinema, etc. "The Johnson treatment"
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:48 PM
Jan 2021


Once he gets them to support killing the filibuster, then he is free to govern like Sanders, or FDR or any other great progressive.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
7. Biden sounds like Sanders was the topic, my point is he can't do anything like Sanders
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jan 2021

With Manchin’s obstruction.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Biden is going to govern like Biden. Why do we need to make comparisons, especially to someone....
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jan 2021

....who was never President?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
34. LBJ was never president?
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:58 AM
Jan 2021

I was suggesting that, in order to implement his agenda (which some have compared to Sanders), Biden should utilize some of LBJ’s tactics on recalcitrant Dems.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
6. Thank you, mcar.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jan 2021

Always a lot of talk. However I do believe that Biden and Harris collectively can make this happen.

I am no fool. Zero to Sixty will not happen on day one. I am not a stupid voter that believes in miracles. It will happen incrementally, yet it will happen.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
10. I trust Biden and Harris
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jan 2021

There will have to be compromise, which won't sit well with the Purity Patrol. But they will get things done that will help the American people. Will it be perfect? No.

It will happen. And if the Purists cause us to lose both houses of congress in 2022 because they didn't get their cookies...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. To me Biden sounded like the New Dealers using federal deficit
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:54 PM
Jan 2021

spending to pull the nation out of the Great Depression by investing in people. I think there's a huge difference between that kind of pragmatic good sense and Sanders' ideology-driven zealotry, the end of capitalism over the horizon always the goal. It's like the enormous difference between Elizabeth Warren's "radical pursuit of tradition" and Sanders' socialist dream.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
11. I agree
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:56 PM
Jan 2021

I think the plan is more common sense than pie in the sky. I just think it's an interesting comparison, given the angst on this board today over a difference in counting.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. :) You put it well. And their agreement on what needs doing
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:00 PM
Jan 2021

is definitely worth noting. Glad you came down to underline that commonality.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
15. If he gets the $15 minimum wage done it would be monumental
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jan 2021

There will be those who will move the goal posts. Yeah, it may not be enough to live in the Bay Area or Manhattan or Malibu, but it would be impactful for people just about anywhere else. Those people matter too. We often forget that here. It would be a monumental achievement.

msongs

(67,416 posts)
19. one suspects there will a considerable waiting time to get to that amount. IMO just
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:19 PM
Jan 2021

do it now and get it done. have not seen much to indicate damage in areas that have already done so

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
20. Still an achievement either way.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:21 PM
Jan 2021

I’m not one to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Sure, it would be great to get it done with an immediate phase in, but it’s also very unrealistic.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
25. Yup, he sounds like he always does. In the end it's about getting things done
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:34 PM
Jan 2021

and Democrats getting control of House and Senate means there is more that can be done than if we didn't have one or both of them.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
27. Yes, he sounds like a Democrat, has actual plans.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jan 2021

Why anyone thinks economic inequality isn't a core Democratic issue, I don't know. What were a lot of right-wingers freaking out about Obama? That he was going to redistribute the wealth, give everyone health care, regulate Wall Street and raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations.

marlakay

(11,474 posts)
28. I think it's because Joe has so much empathy
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:56 PM
Jan 2021

For people hurting, sad, sick and it physically hurts him to see others not have food to eat or a place to sleep.

He may do more for the poor and out of work than any president because of that.

Cha

(297,305 posts)
30. Yeah, it sounds like Joe Biden to me!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:46 PM
Jan 2021

But.. it is not just ".. If nothing else..".. there is so much MORE with PE Biden & VPE Harris!

We are So Fortunate!

mcar

(42,334 posts)
31. We are, Cha!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:50 PM
Jan 2021

And yes, this policy is all Joe and Kamala - smart, compassionate, and sensible. It will reduce the child poverty rate by half.

Can you believe some on the left are complaining about it?

Cha

(297,305 posts)
32. Yes.. bc that's what
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:00 AM
Jan 2021

they do.

But We Got Joe Biden & Kamala. Harris.. who in 5 More Days will Be President Joe Biden & Vice President Kamala Harris!

Look at the long road we've Traveled & we're Almost to the January 20, 2021 Fork in the Road!

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