This point about the insurrection blew my mind.

[Maraya1969]

Link to tweet

[MelissaB]

1. Oh!

[Catcar]

2. Occam's razor. Not sure why it hadn't occurred to anybody until now!

[Catcar]

25. No argument, Trum tried for a coup. The fact that he was not removed from DC, PROVES it so plainly.

[Catcar]

33. I concur. Trump has been gunning for violence from day one. A Civil War

would have been his dream come true. Thank goodness the Trump Presidency and this national nightmare is coming to an end, albeit not soon enough.

[Eyeball_Kid]

48. We are in peril every hour that he's president.

IMO, don't assume anything until he's gone.

[Ahpook]

34. Exactly

Isn't the job of the SS to get him the hell out? Why didn't they? What did they know?

It seems like a bottomless pit that this country hopefully crawls out of. This is scary shit!

[stillspkg]

51. I'll second that!

and, Occam's Razor seems to explain why Trump hasn't conceded, at least openly and sincerely, and why he's still stationed in the white house....he's not going to have to leave. This isn't a conclusion that sits well and yet none of our ire can change the fact that he has the power to make every awful decision that he has so far. I believe he does not plan to leave the white house with the most bloody coup that ends up with him being the hero- in the minds of his cult members. Remember, the Generals said they are on the side of the constitution, but where were they on January 6?

2nd post ever.

[KS Toronado]

54. Welcome to DU, I see you're still speaking/still typing

[Make7]

3. The White House isn't a secure location? ( n/t )

[Maraya1969]

12. On that day the capitol wasn't a secure location. Any other

president at any other time would have been whisked out of DC or even taken to the secure bunker.

[Make7]

16. So the Secret Service failed to protect Trump from his own supporters?

By not moving him to an off site location?

Or into the bunker at the White House (designed to operate in times of war) because the White House grounds could have been overrun and breached before they could secure him? And this threat was from the people trying to ensure Trump remains President for four more years?

That makes no sense.

[Maraya1969]

19. Reports are that was Dump in glee over what has happening. I suppose

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security just assumed that he was the one running it so there was no need to protect him.

[empedocles]

29. perhaps they asked trump if wanted additional security as trump watched the ransacking?

[Eyeball_Kid]

50. A massacre of members of Congress would give Trump plenty of justification to declare martial law.

That's why he'd be smiling. That's exactly what he wants.

So that plan rather quickly fell apart, and the investigations are beginning.

Trump may have time to pull off one last stunt. Remember: Humanity means nothing to Trump.

He'll want the National Guard, stationed at the Capitol Building, to turn around and attack the inauguration. Or have one of his worshippers in uniform spray the balcony with a clip from his rifle.

I hope his aides are leaning into the door to hear his phone calls. He's crazy enough to try anything.

Pence. What a fool.

[KS Toronado]

55. Standard Operating Procedure for the SS is to move the president to a secure location

And I'm sure they approached him but the man-child started whining & crying about missing his TV & the
rioters were good friends of his so they would never hurt him. No one in the SS likes djt, (or his kids)
so their attitude was go ahead and get killed, we don't care.

[StarfishSaver]

60. Bad take Yes, that's SOP. And the White House is the secure location they take him to

It is considered the most secure place on earth for the president, even during a riot or unrest. And there was no reason for Secret Service to believe that it was not secure that day.

I see nothing suspicious about Trump not being moved from the premises.

[sop]

84. Bush was taken to an undisclosed base in another state during the 9/11 attacks on NYC

and the Pentagon. Cheney was hustled to a secure bunker below the WH. Reportedly, the 9/11 hijackers in the fourth plane were targeting either the WH or the Capitol, so Bush was kept as far away as possible from DC.

[StarfishSaver]

85. Bush was taken to a base because he wasn't at the WH and it was not safe for him to try to get there

Had he already been at the White House, he would not have been evacuated and taken somewhere else. If he went anywhere, he would have gone to the bunker, like Cheney.

[Mme. Defarge]

4. Good grief!

[OAITW r.2.0]

5. Maybe the WH was coordinating the Insurrection?

That would be treason.

[wnylib]

42. I don't think there is any maybe about it.

[cilla4progress]

43. I

agree.

[rurallib]

6. They kept flying W around for 6 hours for his safety

Excellent point

[wnylib]

44. But the 911 terrorists were not

US citizens following the instructions given at a public rally by Bush. The Jan 6 American terrorists were members of Trump's own party acting directly on his behalf. No need to protect Trump from his allies.

So, did Trump's Secret Service agents try to remove him but he refused? Or did they realize he was safe from his own mob?

[OAITW r.2.0]

46. The Trump Putsch Attempt. TTPA

In Democracy Blue and union made.

[greenjar_01]

7. Another point: where were the kids?

For the BLM protests this past summer, a lot of people took their kids, and a lot of teenagers were there. I don't mean the nights that turned into riots, but the day marches, the gatherings. There were a lot of kids. People posted Facebook pics with their kids. Teenagers got together and went to the marches.

If the walk to the Capitol was supposed to be peaceful, and was supposed to be just viewing some historical "debate" with the Congress, where were all the kids? I've seen a lot of pictures from the Capitol, and the crowd that went to the Capitol but didn't go in as well. There aren't any kids. No teenagers, no tween, no bored nine-year olds, no strollers. There aren't any kids. Why?

As I understand it, the guy who posed with the lectern has five kids - five - and they were even reportedly at attendance at the White House speech (maybe). But they didn't go to the Capitol, to witness this historic event? Not even the oldest, who must be at least nine (there are five of them!). No. The doctor wife and kids peeled off, and Mr. Johnson went to the Capitol solo. Why?

Where were all the kids one would expect to bring to a historic event in DC?

They weren't there, because everybody who went knew damn well what was going to happen at the Capitol, and even these miscreants were not going to expose minor children to that. It's very clear. If you hear any one of these people say "We went to the Capitol expecting a peaceful protest, a historic event," ask them one simple question: why weren't there any kids there, then?

[Tommymac]

11. I did see kids on TV before the attack.

Mothers pushing carriages and several pre teens.

All in trump merch, of coarse.

Everyone at the Ellipse did not go to the capital.

[greenjar_01]

52. Right. There were kids at the Ellipse

Nobody took their kids to the Capitol. Because they knew what it was going to be.

[Phoenix61]

8. Never even went to the bunker. nt

[LAS14]

9. Very good point! nt

[Hugin]

10. Bingo!

Why was that? Hmm?

[tiptonic]

13. Marines

The Marines Eighth & Eye Barracks (besides all the parades), is assigned to guard the White house. At least they use to be. If the 'rioters' had gotten that far, things would have probably gotten messy. They didn't try to get there. Someone had a plan.

[wnylib]

53. The rioters were there to show their support for Trump,

so they posed no risk to him. Therefore, no need for extensive security for him beyond the usual. No chance that they would turn on him. He had called for protesters to go to DC to protest Congress. That was their mission.

[Maraya1969]

73. Someone upthread mentioned that during 9/11 Bush was driven

around in the air for 6 hours. And that happened in New York when they got him up there. The Pentagon was attacked but that is like the Capitol being attacked as far as protecting the White House ad president is concerned.

[TimeToGo]

14. Oh, good grief.

[ancianita]

15. If they get testimony from this man, they need to ask about the eight hours he

was elsewhere -- where he was, what he did, what phone calls he received, whether he saw the march down PA Avenue, what he knew of what happened at the Capitol.

Then ask him questions about the 100+ pieces of evidence of -- his past tweets, phone calls, and deeds.
Then present the video evidence of his rally words of incitement and crowd response after;
Show video footage of him live watching the insurrection unfold while with his tent party people;
Present the record of calls to him made by huddling congresspeople which he refused to answer;
Ask him how during the whole eight hours of the insurrection, he said nothing to stop what he saw;
and why he stayed outside a secure, remote location while Pence was in one.

[empedocles]

26. Good start

[Maraya1969]

37. If the impeachment starts after the 20th he can't claim any

special powers. He is going to be a US citizen and he will need to show up for a damn subpoena!

I so hope that happens. I want to see his ass dragged before the senate and him have to creak out answers that he can't answer.

[ancianita]

65. Right.

The best part is that the more he talks, the more lying he'll do, and the more annoying he'll get such that even more senators will vote to convict.

That is what House managers will accomplish, goddess bless 'em.

[nancy1942]

17. Wow.

Sums it all up.

[demtenjeep]

20. Wow

very telling

[roamer65]

24. That is an EXCELLENT observation.

[housecat]

71. second that

[liberal N proud]

28. I had not given that much thought

Maybe because I don't give a shit what happens to trump, or I knew deep down he was involved. But if he wasn't, they would have secured him.

[MustLoveBeagles]

30. It's very telling isn't it?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. This is also the reason the WH was FORTIFIED this fall. . . . nt

[raccoon]

91. Excellent point. Nt

[Rebl2]

32. I have

thought about that. He knew he was safe sitting around watching all that was going down at the house and senate. They didn’t even try to take him to the safe room. Interesting.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

35. I was more worried about Congress than him.

But you're right! He didn't even go to the bunker, he was watching it on Television!

[StarfishSaver]

39. I'm not sure about this take

The White House is THE most secure place on earth for the president. If he is anywhere in DC and something happens, the all-out goal is to get him back to the White House, for that reason.

The White House is very different than the Capitol, which is a large public place and not nearly as defensible as the White House.

I'm sure that Secret Service and the military was prepared to evacuate him on a few seconds notice if it was determined that the White House was in the least bit danger of being breached.

I don't think this particular argument has merit.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

59. I concur. Also, the Capitol and the White House are two miles apart. Just because something is

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happening at one location doesn't mean that action should be taken at the other location.

{edited: "doesn't mean," not "means"}

[StarfishSaver]

62. Exactly

Everything isn't proof of a conspiracy, even when a conspiracy exists ...

[stopdiggin]

76. not particularly "telling" in my book

and there's all kinds of other real data points out there to concentrate on.

[Maraya1969]

80. He went into the bunker when there were just protests outside

Plus, as someone upthread reminded us that President
bush was hauled around in the air for 6 hours o 9/11

[StarfishSaver]

82. There's a difference between staying in the WH and going to the bunker and evacuating the complex

to go to another location.

Had Bush been in the White House on 9/11, he would have stayed there. He was "hauled around in the air" that day because it wasn't considered safe for him to fly back to DC. As soon as it was deemed safe to return to DC, he was taken straight to the White House.

As I said, there are numerous reasons to believe that Trump knew he wasn't in any danger because he was aware of what was going on, but the fact that he wasn't evacuated from the White House isn't one of them.

[MontanaMama]

40. I consider myself a thinker...

and this never occurred to me. Damn.

[StClone]

47. It was not at all lost on me that Trump had no fear...

...of his followers in real time of the insurrection. It was not a self-statement or a sudden epiphany, it was a natural observation as the events unfolded. To me it seems unneeded to even comment on.

But now his monsters are seething as another in the long in of those tossed under the bus.

[cilla4progress]

41. SO FUCKIING TRUE

!!!

[BusyBeingBest]

45. Did he retreat to the bunker or use the situation room?

Was he being briefed about the status of his VP and members of Congress? Did he have national security advisors and cabinet members advising him? Was ANYTHING or ANYONE in "emergency mode" at the White House? I'm guessing "no" to all these questions. Who was he communicating with that day? Seems like he was an interested spectator more than anything else.

[karin_sj]

49. Wow, so true

I didn't even think about that, but boy, is it telling...

[peggysue2]

56. Of course!

The insurrectionists were His People. The people he's lied to, been distressed about their appearance (too low class), people he'd never share a meal with, let alone invite to his house. These are the Zombies for Trump, good enough to adore him, admire him, even die for him. Beyond that? Nada. Because to Trump, these same people are merely objects, props.

Like the rest of us.

[sarge43]

57. I think we have the smoking gun. n/t

[left-of-center2012]

58. And, to my knowledge...

No additional security was sent to the White House to surround it and protect the president.

[StarfishSaver]

63. The White House doesn't need "additional security" in such a situation

It's already the most secure place on earth.

[left-of-center2012]

66. Uh huh

That must be why 'they' added extra fencing and troops a couple times over 2020 during protests?

[StarfishSaver]

68. That's a completely different situation

But think whatever you want. It's not important enough for me to argue with you about it.

[left-of-center2012]

75. Not arguing

Just stating facts.

Bye

[malaise]

61. Profound

Seditionist in chief?

[Vivienne235729]

64. Wasn't he having a viewing party of it w his demon spawns in the WH bunker?

[patricia92243]

67. It's hard to believe that such an obvious fact has been over looked

by big-wigs and me.

[StarfishSaver]

70. It wasn't overlooked - because it doesn't meant what you think it means

A president wouldn't be evacuated from the White House in such a situation. It's the most secure place on earth and only under the most drastic situation - for example, an imminent nuclear strike, - would the president be moved off of the premises.

I believe there is a volume of evidence proving that Trump was complicit in and expected this event, but the fact that the president wasn't evacuated to a remove location isn't among it.

[patricia92243]

74. Would he not have been moved to a "safe" place within the WH?

There are rooms that could withstand an a Bomb, etc.

[StarfishSaver]

79. If they thought he was in immediate danger, they may have moved him to out o the residencef

or to the bunker.

But they would not have move him out of the White House to a "remote location" unless they had reason to believe the complex was under serious threat, which it wasn't anywhere close to being.

[patricia92243]

69. Was he even moved to a "safe" place in the WH.

[Grasswire2]

88. not according to what we have been told.

And people are questioning that.

Why wasn't he moved to the bunker? He WAS, during the BLM protest in the summer.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

72. Obviously, Trumps's security was not concerned at all about anti-fascists. nt

[hadEnuf]

77. That cements it. Trump is guilty of attempting a violenet coup and treason.

[Blue Owl]

81. The stupid fat piece of shit in the WH didn't think about that, did he

[Aussie105]

83. No surprise!

Trump encouraged it.

Trump said he would walk with them to the Capitol Building.

His troops.

[Jetheels]

86. I didn't see any helicopters either.

[BobTheSubgenius]

87. I'd not even heard of this POV, let alone thought about it.

It seems it's only 1.5 miles ATCF, so you'd think that they would have had reason to be concerned in the WH. But they apparently weren't concerned. For some reason.

[robertpaulsen]

89. I'm sure if anyone asked, his response would have been like Grand Moff Tarkin.

[FakeNoose]

90. May 29th, 2020 - if any of us can remember back that far

Bunker Boy went to the bunker because protesters were outside the White House. What was the event? The unjust murder of George Floyd a few days before in Minnesota. Floyd was killed in cold blood by Minneapolis police.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

On May 29th Chump, Melania and Barron were taken to the secure bunker under the White House by Secret Service agents to protect the first family, even though no protesters were violent or carrying weapons. There were approximately 500 or 600 people outside White House grounds, and they were shouting and waving protest signs but they never entered the White House grounds.

In contrast, the protest/insurrection of January 6th numbered several hundred thousand people, who were violent and carrying bombs, tear gas and firearms. They also carried flagpoles and fire extinguishers that were used as weapons. The insurrection continued well past the curfew of 6 p.m. however long before then, people had broken windows and doors and had trespassed into the U.S. Capitol. Legislators' lives were threatened, and 5 people were killed. Meanwhile at the White House, the secret service made no move to put the Chump family into the secure bunker.

[llmart]

93. Not only that...

but the whole slam damn family was standing around a TV watching it all unfold as if it were some kind of party! Dancing and smiling and high fiving and he was grinning from ear to ear - no concerned look on his face.

Why, it was almost as if this whole event was planned to happen just like it did!

[drray23]

92. Thats a stupid argument.

Trump is guilty as sin but the white house is the safest place to be. Underneath it there is a command center bunker designed to withstand nuclear attacks and pretty much everything else. It is the safest place to be.