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MustLoveBeagles
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Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)on bottom sides of mouth. Chin looks the same.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)the other day. It is so pointy you can open a can with it. Mother and daughter both have the extremely pointy chin.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)detect the same face even when in disguise.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)They could always use a window as a light box and put mom's photo on the window and put daughter's face
over it and compare and contrast the overlayed images. If they lack other, more sophisticated procedures I'm sure they at least have a window. It worked for me when I drew portraits as a kid.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)That is a neat system you made as a child!
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)It makes tracing anything easy. When I turned 8 I finally got a 9×12 light box from Santa. The light box is long gone but I still have windows available.
I have seen sophisticated stuff that forensic specialists have used in trying to solve a crime on those "who really committed the crime?" TV shows.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Yes if the TV shows are accurate, the FBI should have all kinds of neat tools to use.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)This woman is not a day over 40, and weighs about 135. Yeesh.
I just listened to this. It's not even close. The bullhorn woman has a slight midwestern accent, like when she says "standing," with a flat "a." Bentz has southern artifacts in her speech (listen to "And he cranks hees up up even louder, so I go and crank mine up louder." ) Y'all are hearing what you want to hear.
The two women literally sound nothing like each other.
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greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)These are completely different women who sound nothing like each other though. They have distinct regional dialect artifacts in their speech. It's not close.
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greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)The whole thing is a blind alley. There are very good pics of her floating around, though unlike some of the other idiots, she was smart enough to cover her face when somebody tried to take a clear head-on picture of her. I'd say she's between 35-40, maybe 135. I can't place the accent, but it's definitely not southern working class like Boebert's mother. I'd guess that she has some family tie to the upper midwest but may have left or might be at one remove. College educated (again, unlike Boebert's mother), probably with some professional training and leadership roles. Something like nurse manager, the way she barks orders and the way she organized the folks around her to use the carpet tube as a battering ram. Comfortable with conflict and even violence around her, cool under pressure.
I also don't think this is really much evidence of anything but spontaneous organization. She's more taking charge than being in charge, and the dumbasses in the room really don't seem to be paying much attention to her, to be honest.
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kcr
(15,317 posts)They aren't the same age or weight. Their hair color is similar, and that's about it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)I'm really astounded that people think these two women sound even similar. They grew up in completely different parts of the country with completely different regional dialects.
I mean, whatever. We're going to find out, so I guess we'll have to wait. It's just amazing to me that anyone thinks these women sound similar in their speech.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Western NY, Northern OH, Western PA, Michigan, Northern IL.
We'll see, I guess.
BusyBeingBest
(8,054 posts)Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)It really does sound like it's her.
global1
(25,253 posts)on the pink hat lady at the Capitol and the Snookie video? Couldn't they tell by voice analysis if it is the same person?
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Uhm not so much.
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tinrobot
(10,903 posts)I'm not 100% convinced, but definitely intrigued.
Maybe the FBI could find some cellphone data to confirm or something.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)They just don't look at all alike to me.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)We assume all winter clothing is bulky. But stouter people don't have to wear as much winter clothing as thinner people to feel as warm. This is because volume increases much faster than surface area as weight increases.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Many people at the time called her a "girl" or a "young woman", including eye witnesses at the scene.
Turned out she was a veteran with 14 years in the Air Force.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)That video definitely made her look far younger. Some Trump cultists on the internet claimed that she was only 16, which seemed plausible to me at the time.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)Speculation is a waste of energy.
SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)And Lauren Boebert has already admitted her mother was in the Capitol area on 1/6/2021.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Accents can be altered intentionally. I've done it repeatedly while secret-trolling (for my own entertainment) some Southern-origin, Trump cultist coworkers to test their gullibility.
I've also overheard some African American coworkers who talked "plain" around white coworkers, but completely different when around only black coworkers. (Accidentally overheard them as I'd silently retrieve something in the area or whatever.)
The facial features are a strong match.
It's the body shapes that make me skeptical about a match, but I honestly haven't seen a good full-body pic of bullhorn lady yet.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)The shift in speech patterns you heard from the African Americans is well known and has the semi-formal name "code shifting". They are very used to that kind of adaptation for moving smoothly in the spaces left between the towers of white privilege around them.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)On the other hand, I've had some "thick" coworkers who actually looked THINNER while wearing their coats. It's like your brain assumes that the coat should increase the diameter significantly, so the person wearing it must be thin.
So it's hard to tell.
Her mother on the far left, from Boebert's swearing-in just days before the Capitol invasion:
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)We assume all winter clothing is bulky. But stouter people don't have to wear as much winter clothing as thinner people to feel as warm. This is because volume increases much faster than surface area as weight increases.
A heavy person with a thin jacket looks the same as a thin person with a thick warm jacket that they need.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)By the way, I think the guy on the ledge in the bullhorn lady's full-body pic was holding a video camera.
I wonder if he got some close-up videos of her? Not that he's likely to share them if he was an insurrectionist too.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)... but now I can't find it even though I searched with search engine and through Twitter threads.
Maybe they scrubbed it. Her mother's twitter account got closed or yanked.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)... so far.
This is from an article of "The Colorado Sun":
https://coloradosun.com/2020/09/14/lauren-boebert-congress-guns-trump/
That's the pic where I could make out a "crease" at the end of her nose, like some pics of Bullhorn Lady.
Boebert's mother definitely looks a LOT different when she's smiling. That obviously doesn't affect the nose, though.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)A couple. There was one very blurry but with some logo on the side.
But I am sure I saw one of her, rather clear like your photo, but from the side so you could see that the logo was the same size, square, and light (white/whitish) with dark imprinting on it.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)... she indeed resembles Snooki somewhat too.
Demonaut
(8,919 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Sounds like her to me, looks like her and is apparently just as freaking nuts as her daughter.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)And the facial features are similar.
Weight is so hard to judge in a photo due to angles. Th camera can add or subtract 5 pounds.
Love to see an audio analysis.
Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)but the bullhorn woman doesn't.
At least to my ears.
BusyBeingBest
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