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I hear a lot of Dems giving her kudos for coming out against Trump as hard as she did.
I'm torn by this. Something makes me question whether I should trust her. Is she sincere? Or Is this just a political move on her part because she has bigger goals for the future - like 2024?
If she is so adamant about how she feels about Trump - I would like to see her meet with each Repug Senator and convince them that they should vote to 'convict' Trump when we have the Senate trial.
Maybe that would make me feel better about her.
Does anyone else here have similar feelings about her?
Takket
(21,577 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)hard to hear her talk about the "wrongdoings" of others
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)Not going to support her beyond that.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Rumors are she wants to run in 2024.
LeftInTX
(25,380 posts)She isn't gonna be the type of person to embrace crazy groups like the Bundy gang etc.
She's also BFF with John Bolton.
Other than this, she will vote party line
If Biden has any "national security issues"...like Benghazi...she will be outspoken against him.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)She represents her father's party. I think she's speaking out in hopes of returning the GOP to the horribleness it once was, rather than the ultra-horribleness of trumpism.
She can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)She gets to brownie points on this. Shes looking for ways to advance her political career and being the anti-Trump seemed like a good bet. Dont forget she threw her own sister under the bus and embraced anti-lgtba+ stances and policies to try and win an election. Fuck her. Dont be fooled. Shes her fathers daughter but not as smart and maybe even more ruthless.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)A member of this GOP with a shred of integrity doesn't buy much. She wouldn't be in the GOP if she had enough.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)This is political calculus. No brownie points.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)RockRaven
(14,974 posts)because she recognizes that sticking with Trump is a losing move, both for the party and shortly thereafter within the party.
marlakay
(11,476 posts)In my opinion equally as bad because they have a layer on the outside sometimes that makes them seem more normal, but they did so much evil during their 8 yrs, I will not forget.
Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)it would actually look mildly pretty, and once in a while show integrity.
She does look him.
In terms of politics, she seems a lot like most other establishment-type republicans -- generally loathsome and opportunistically calculating.
She betting that the traditional GOP will win the internal republican civil war, and she will feature prominently afterward.
RainCaster
(10,884 posts)May she eat shit and die.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)If she gets the nomination she will be a formidable opponent. It will come down between her and a Trump base opponent for the Republican nomination. If it's the Trump base opponent they will lose handily.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)I think she genuinely despises trump for what he has done to her party. But she is using this to position herself for a run for higher office.
Let's see how it works out.
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)Her job is to help break the nutjob faction of the GOP so they can all get back to milking the taxpayer in the dark.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Celerity
(43,415 posts)I already believe that Dick Cheney is among the luckiest men to ever walk the face of the planet. He will never have to pay, in real terms, for the blood of untold thousands he has on his hands. He will live out his days not just a free man but also with another human being's heart beating relentlessly in his barrel chest. And, just this week, the eruption of a Cheney family schism over marriage equality falls fortuitously on the eve of the holiday season, just as so many of us face our own uncomfortable family gatherings. Almost every family contains a divide of some sort, papered over for gatherings by politesse or booze. It could be a simmering long-term dispute about team loyalties or political affiliations; it could be a snap debate over what movie to watch. My family has almost come to blows over bridge games; my father and his brother will probably never settle whether property and casualty insurance presents a greater actuarial challenge than life insurance. For the Cheney family, it's that Liz Cheney doesn't think her sister, Mary, who is married to another woman, should be equal under the law. "I do believe in the traditional definition of marriage," Liz said on Fox News Sunday.
As family seating chart challenges go, that's a pretty big one. ("Liz, guess who's coming to dinner? No, really, guess, because Mary and her wife aren't." ) But the timing of the controversy gave the elder Cheneys an especially good chance to exploit an emotion I'm not sure they understand themselves: empathy. "This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years, and we are pained to see it become public," Dick and Lynne said in a statement. "Compassion is called for." Dick Cheney's record of callousness extends from his enthusiastic embrace of torture to his blithe disregard for the man he shot in the face, a deed for which like most every other act of grievous harm he's committed he has yet to apologize. His own endorsement of marriage equality in 2009 was typically detached and nonchalant almost to the point of dismissiveness: One of my daughters is gay and [that's] something that we've lived with for a long time in our family. People ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish.
I admire the remark's broadness, but its impersonality suggests he arrived at the position as the result of a technicality, or perhaps via the kind of acceptance one has for a family member with a disability: Mary's sexuality is "something that we've lived with for a long time". To judge by their public exchanges, the Cheney family didn't attempt a compassionate reconciliation between the two sisters. They just let Mary and her wife, Heather Poe, believe there wasn't a need for it. "Liz has been a guest in our home," Poe wrote on Facebook. Liz, she said, "has spent time and shared holidays with our children". So when Dick and Liz said of a contentious split in beliefs, they "dealt with it privately," they meant it same way most families do: they didn't deal with it at all. The elliptical statement about compassion also left unclear whom we are supposed to feel it for: poor benighted Liz, who is desperately trying to appear as conservative as possible for her Wyoming Republican Senate primary campaign? The Cheney family as a whole, again in the spotlight over sharp words not meant for public broadcast? (Really, this is a pattern for them.) Obviously, one should feel for Mary and Poe, who have to put up with this crap.
The best face one can put on Liz's statement is that she might not mean it. But the statement from Dick and Lynne contains a strange twist of logic that belies any thin hope of insincerity. Liz "has also always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect," they said. "Liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position." To start with, the Cheneys appear to have a very low bar for what counts as a "kindness", treating a family member with "love and respect" is a baseline for most people. More important, they imply that Liz's willingness to continue a relationship with sister shouldn't be used as proof that she is anything but a righteous homophobe. This argument is the opposite of how most families justify a holiday invitation extended to that one uncle who still says the n-word and has elaborate Birchian theories about the New World Order. In that case, mom and dad point to the backwards uncle's work buddy who is black and his great relationship with his Jewish neighbours: "Ignore his explicit statements of ignorance and hatred, focus on his everyday tolerance." Here, the Cheneys argue, "Ignore her everyday tolerance, focus on her explicit statements of ignorance and hatred."
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Sgent
(5,857 posts)that doesn't agree with her father's opinions. Hell, Dick Cheney was the first national candidate of either party in favor of gay families -- that doesn't make him a civil rights champion.
She's a neocon, same as him, and isn't someone I would support unless I lived in WY and my other choice was a Trumpista.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)... she said the correct thing, and she seems like an American - in favor of Democracy. Even before this, she spoke in a guarded way sometimes about Crooked Donald. She obviously knew what he was about... also, I give people a break when they are related to someone worse; they may be alike, or not... still, I do not support Liz Cheney. I will say she says or does the correct thing, when she does... but she's no Steve Schmidt... she's not even John McCain.
essme
(1,207 posts)That family lost me permanently when her sister got married, and adopted a child with her same sex partner- and they are STILL against gay marriage.
Chaps my ass.
She spoke out against Trump because he called her out in a speech, and alarmed her father.
Raine
(30,540 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)but she is still a right-winger.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)When old Dick wanted to be on W's ticket, he'd been living in Texas long enough to qualify for the homestead exemption on his residence. Problem was, prez and veep can't be from the same state. So he scampered back to Wyoming and rented an apartment and declared himself a resident of that state.
When Liz was thinking about running for office, she applied for a resident fishing license in Wyoming, even though she was living, if memory serves, in Virginia at the time. Like her daddy, she holds rules as applying to lesser beings.
She takes no step that isn't calculated to advance her own interests. She inherited more than her father's looks. She is very much his daughter, and we forget that at our peril.
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wishstar
(5,270 posts)and she has no charm or charisma so I doubt she'll go any further in political aspirations
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Every word uttered, every move made is self-serving.
But she did speak against dump.
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)But shes right this one time
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)She will lead the who's left of the non-Trump wing of the ReTHUGs party.
In the current environment she comes out looking like the sane one.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)But even she, like her father, consider this a bridge too far, and did the right thing.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)the ability to think logically, at least some of the time. She said this:
"On January 6, 2021 a violent mob attacked the United States Capitol to obstruct the process of our democracy and stop the counting of presidential electoral votes. This insurrection caused injury, death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic.
"Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.
"I will vote to impeach the President."
I don't trust any Republican, and never have, but I give her credit for being able to recognize and understand Trump's actions accurately.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)I remember she posted a picture of her evil father with one on.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)I don't trust her, but I do trust that she doesn't want Trump as the leader of the party.
Thunderbeast
(3,417 posts)I am encouraged that she reads this as the opportune time to dispatch Trump and Trumpism. The fact that she is from Wyoming instead of a midwestern state with a competitive Democratic Party, gives me a bit of hope.
A Neo-Con is preferable to a narcissist dictator.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)The Republicans in order to win have to move away from Trump-ism back to conservatism. Her Daddy is already in the resistance and she will be the flag bearer.