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Wicked Blue

(5,834 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:56 PM Jan 2021

I am so angry about this vaccine shortage that I can't see straight.

So the federal vaccine reserves are gone, according to several news reports.

This is sickening. This affects every single person in America. It may cost many lives.

It was horrible enough that they fucked with supplies personal protective for medical workers last year.

How many doctors, nurses, medical technicians died because they were reduced to wearing plastic garbage bags as they worked on the front lines to save lives?

I recall reading stories that federal agents of some kind confiscated shipments of PPE from some states and hospitals. Where did that equipment go? Was it sold to Russia? Saudi Arabia? Who profited from these illegal seizures of property?

And now we learn that our federal government's vaccine reserves, which were promised to the states, are gone.

Where did they go? Were they sold to the highest bidder in some other country? Is some of it being used privately to vaccinate Trump's loyalists and rich supporters? Who is profiting from these "missing vaccines?"

Are more Americans going to die unnecessarily because they can't get vaccinated? Are people going to be deprived of the second injections needed to ensure the vaccine works as it should?

We need a major investigation into this unbelievable disaster.

Any person who is involved in this or the seizures of PPE should be arrested, charged and tried. If convicted, life in prison. And that includes all members of the Trump crime family who may be involved.

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I am so angry about this vaccine shortage that I can't see straight. (Original Post) Wicked Blue Jan 2021 OP
Jared lame54 Jan 2021 #1
You're in good company. People will die. It's all so sickening. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #2
The reserves were released weeks ago when Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #3
Washington Post: Vaccine reserve was exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it, dashin Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #5
Right, the reserve had already been released. nt Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #7
They Lied About The Reserve ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #9
OK - thanks for the reality check Blues Heron Jan 2021 #11
Consider posting this as an OP. Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #14
Let Me Think About That ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #15
Thanks! Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #16
+1000 DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #21
I Invented 2 New Products ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #22
They either fucked up because of incompetence or to sell them Maraya1969 Jan 2021 #6
It was a polio vaccine. nt Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #8
wherever they went, lets hope it was in to peoples arms Blues Heron Jan 2021 #4
See Post 9 ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #10
Some expired and were tossed. DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2021 #13
true. but has nothing to do with the so called "reserves" stopdiggin Jan 2021 #20
I think Jerod Kurshner needs to be investigated all the way ....everything he did or said as BComplex Jan 2021 #12
Absolutely. nt Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #18
It really is ridiculous Calculating Jan 2021 #17
I suppose that's a healthy reaction. I didn't expect better from them Hortensis Jan 2021 #19

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
3. The reserves were released weeks ago when
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jan 2021

production stabilized. They were to ensure a second dose if there were glitches in production. When production smoothed out and ramped up the reserves were released.

Wicked Blue

(5,834 posts)
5. Washington Post: Vaccine reserve was exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it, dashin
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jan 2021

Washington Post
By Isaac Stanley-Becker and Lena H. Sun

When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses that had been held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
9. They Lied About The Reserve
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:17 PM
Jan 2021

The reserve was ALWAYS much smaller than claimed and was distributed.
There is no shortage, by the definition of the word.
Pfizer & Moderna are right at their production forecast.
Do we need more given the pandemic? Of course.
Is it less than what actual forecasts suggested? No.
There is no vaccine missing.
Many just got sucked into lies from the maladministration and believed there would be more now than there was ever going to be.

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
15. Let Me Think About That
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:34 PM
Jan 2021

I know what I looked up before but didn't bookmark everything.
If I can't find my cites, I'm reluctant.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
21. +1000
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jan 2021

It continues to surprise me how many people think manufacturing something new is a breeze. If you need more, just snap your fingers and it can magically appear.

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
22. I Invented 2 New Products
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jan 2021

From 500ml flask to 500 gallon scale up.
Literally everything worked.
Still, for both, it was 6-9 months after start up to hit full production.
The fact that they're at 50% after 4 weeks is incredibly good!

Maraya1969

(22,482 posts)
6. They either fucked up because of incompetence or to sell them
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jan 2021

to make money. Know how I know?

Because this would never happen under a Democratic president.

I remember going to some school as a little kid and getting a sugar cube with a red dot in it. It was some kind of mass vaccination.

This group of Keystone cops can't do anything right.

Blues Heron

(5,937 posts)
4. wherever they went, lets hope it was in to peoples arms
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jan 2021

and not spoiled on some shelf. With six degrees of separation on this planet, literally anyone being vaxxed is a good thing ultimately.

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
10. See Post 9
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jan 2021

There is no missing vaccine. The numbers are right where the manufacturers said they'd be.
Geez, they're still ramping up production.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,924 posts)
13. Some expired and were tossed.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:29 PM
Jan 2021

NY had to dump expired doses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-vaccine-delays.html

I've read some other states did as well, mainly due to too restrictive guidelines as to who can get them, a large number of those eligible refusing to get them, and a disarray on scheduling those eligible and wanting it. My cousin is eligible in Michigan as she is a teacher. No one in her school has been able to get through to schedule for the past week. Phones are going unanswered or get disconnected. And being teachers, they can't just sit on the phone all day hoping they get through.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
20. true. but has nothing to do with the so called "reserves"
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jan 2021

that the federal government touted, but didn't have.

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
12. I think Jerod Kurshner needs to be investigated all the way ....everything he did or said as
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jan 2021

son-in-law-in chief.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
17. It really is ridiculous
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:39 PM
Jan 2021

At this rate 2021 won't even be any better than 2020, when the hell do we ever get normal back? We need to put THE MILITARY in charge of the vaccination effort, I bet they would actually get stuff done. It's inexcusable that we have 4000 people dying EVERY DAY from something that we have a vaccine for. That's like TWO 9-11's EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. I suppose that's a healthy reaction. I didn't expect better from them
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:47 PM
Jan 2021

so am appalled yet not surprised. Anti-government politicians are cluster-fuckers by definition.

GIGO.

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