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Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:32 PM Jan 2021

Congresswoman is *explicitly* stating that in our government Christianity comes before democracy



Tweet text:
Lindsey Simmons
@LynzforCongress
A sitting Congresswoman is *explicitly* stating that in our government Christianity comes before democracy.

This is how people openly recruit for theocratic autocracy. These are the words.

This is what it looks like.

Rep. Vicky Hartzler
@RepHartzler
On #ReligiousFreedomDay, we are grateful for our God-given rights to worship freely as our Founding Fathers intended.

Recent events have shown how important it is to preserve and protect these cherished freedoms. Coming together starts with our faith in God — not the government.
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Congresswoman is *explicitly* stating that in our government Christianity comes before democracy (Original Post) Nevilledog Jan 2021 OP
The VERY FIRST provision of the VERY FIRST amendment in our Bill of Rights says exactly the opposite Towlie Jan 2021 #1
"our God"? . . . Iliyah Jan 2021 #7
I think all these Christian congressman should be asked the same question Walleye Jan 2021 #2
OK, now that it is settled, let safeinOhio Jan 2021 #3
Feed the hungry? gratuitous Jan 2021 #9
Yes, so we also have to pick which Christian Bible. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #14
For them it's all about accumulating the wealth FakeNoose Jan 2021 #15
What is wrong with Missouri? nt DURHAM D Jan 2021 #4
This is who replaced Ike Skelton rustysgurl Jan 2021 #17
We have been on a path to christofascist theocracy since Reagan. Thomas Hurt Jan 2021 #5
Then quit and go work at a church lame54 Jan 2021 #6
..this covers freedom FROM religion too. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2021 #8
Someone should call her attention to the Treaty of Tripoli. Towlie Jan 2021 #10
If she's talkin about the god of the OT, fuck that dude!! malchickiwick Jan 2021 #11
she needs to be booted out of congress I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2021 #12
If this is held true by a member of Congress pandr32 Jan 2021 #13
It's the same twisted logic used to justify the "right" to spread disease by not wearing a mask. Towlie Jan 2021 #16
George Washington was an Episcopalian Christian. He bent the knee and went to Church regularly. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #18
Yeah, sure. I've always thought that The Crusades and The Spanish Inquisition were unifying, abqtommy Jan 2021 #19

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
1. The VERY FIRST provision of the VERY FIRST amendment in our Bill of Rights says exactly the opposite
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

 

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
3. OK, now that it is settled, let
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:37 PM
Jan 2021

talk about which form of Christianity, which church and what form that faith takes.

Lots of wars over that in the history of Christianity.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Feed the hungry?
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:45 PM
Jan 2021

House the homeless? Treat the sick? I mean, isn't that what the gospels say it means to be followers of Christ? Hold all property in common, distributing to anyone who is in need? That's what the apostles did. Paul said Christians should above all serve one another in love. Outdo one another in showing kindness and charity. Is that what Vicky is talking about? I suspect not.

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
14. Yes, so we also have to pick which Christian Bible.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:52 PM
Jan 2021

I don't think she refers to the Red Letter Bible.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
15. For them it's all about accumulating the wealth
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jan 2021

"Real Christians" know that God only loves the white people.


NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
8. ..this covers freedom FROM religion too.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jan 2021

and where does it say christianity?

awful lot of "my way or the highway" in religion.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
10. Someone should call her attention to the Treaty of Tripoli.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:46 PM
Jan 2021
Wikipedia: Treaty of Tripoli

The Treaty is often cited, in discussions regarding the role of religion in United States government, for a clause in Article 11 of the English language American version which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

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It is to be remembered that the Barlow translation is that which was submitted to the Senate (American State Papers, Foreign Relations, II, 18-19) and which is printed in the Statutes at Large and in treaty collections generally; it is that English text which in the United States has always been deemed the text of the treaty.

However the Arabic and English texts differ, the Barlow translation (Article 11 included) was the text presented by the President and ratified unanimously in 1797 by the U.S. Senate following strict Constitutional procedures. According to the American legal scholar Francis Wharton the original document was framed by an ex-Congregational preacher.


I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
12. she needs to be booted out of congress
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jan 2021

her beliefs will warp her judgement on the job.

I remember seeing a video when John Kennedy was running they asked him if his catholic beliefs would cloud his judgement and he had to reassure the public that his religion would take a back seat regarding his job? What happened to asking that question? What has made this question taboo for asking people running for office today?People need to keep christianity in churches only.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
13. If this is held true by a member of Congress
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jan 2021

...then no wonder they do not seem to follow the Constitution very well.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
16. It's the same twisted logic used to justify the "right" to spread disease by not wearing a mask.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:57 PM
Jan 2021

 


To those people, "freedom of religion" means the freedom to force your religious beliefs upon others.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
18. George Washington was an Episcopalian Christian. He bent the knee and went to Church regularly.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 02:57 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

He also believed in freedom and democracy. He believed in both and. Also, there is no real love without freedom. A forced marriage is not love and you cannot be a Christian without real love for God and neighbor. If you remove that you are left with empty tribalism and idolatry.


In a democracy we value ALL of our neighbors equally with ourselves. That is a very Christian thing to do.




abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
19. Yeah, sure. I've always thought that The Crusades and The Spanish Inquisition were unifying,
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jan 2021

uniting events! NOT!

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