If Trump pardons everyone who was at the Capitol on Jun 6

[njhoneybadger]

Would it increase or decrease his chance of being convicted in the Senate?
I heard an expert on Lawrence last night say he could issue a blanket Pardon for everyone who was there.

[Wicked Blue]

1. I thought people had to be convicted before they could be pardoned nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. They don't. Ford pardoned Nixon before he was ever charged with anything.

[Wicked Blue]

4. Curses, foiled again

Thanks for enlightening us!

[Eyeball_Kid]

8. That pardon was never contested in Court. Ford "pardoned" Nixon by using his authority...

... without regard to the Constitution. It was purely political, and because most of the nation were happy to see Nixon go, no one contested HOW it was done.

If contested, Courts may indeed strike down that kind of pardon because it doesn't follow the guidelines specifically noted in the Constitution. Legally, Nixon was NOT pardoned for the reason you noted. If Trump tries a blanket pardon, it will surely be contested as unConstitutional, just as if he were to try a self-pardon. No one will believe that it's legal and the Courts will decide.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Carter issued blanket pardons for draft evaders without naming individuals.

This was done by proclamation and covered the time period of August 4, 1964 to March 28, 1973. It was implemented through Executive Order 11967. The Constitution contains no specific guidelines; it says only that
"he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483#:~:text=Proclamation%204483%2C%20also%20known%20as,1964%20to%20March%2028%2C%201973.

[LiberalFighter]

18. It was discussed last nite and was considered an amnesty with requirements had to be met.

[LeftInTX]

13. December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbpe.23602600/?st=text

Blanket pardon to every single confederate.

[Towlie]

22. I agree, it would result in virtually inevitable conviction by the Senate.

 
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[ok_cpu]

3. I'd like to think it would all but ensure his conviction

But, the last four years have shown that the GOP could use it to lean all the way into the whole "unity" and "healing" BS that they are pushing.

Wouldn't pardons be problematic if he has legal exposure from the seditious assault?

[Calculating]

5. I wonder how the right would react to Trump pardoning literal cop killers

The law and order party would surely object, right?

[Cattledog]

6. Pardoning Insurrectionists & Cop Killers not a good look.

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[CoryTrevor]

20. Neither is pardoning war criminals who murdered children, but...

[jcgoldie]

7. Wait I thought they were Antifa?!?

Why would he pardon antifa? Hard to keep my right wing maga BS straight...

[WyattKansas]

10. It is amazing how quickly Republicans get tongue tied by simply saying to them and asking a question

'Antifi is an ideal and not any organized group, which specifically means Anti-Fascism. Why are you supporting Fascism?'

Amazing how reporters have not figured that out yet and never call them out on it.

[Thekaspervote]

11. I don't think those charged with sedition can be pardoned

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Sure they can. The Constitution doesn't place any limits on the pardon power.

[Takket]

12. it won't happen, so the point is moot............

people keep thinking drumpf cares about and wants to help his loyal followers........... he doesn't.

he cares about people who can make him money and/or has info that can be used against him in court.

[CrispyQ]

15. Agreed.

Also, I read that he was displeased with how some of the rioters came across as "low class."

[Mr.Bill]

24. Trump prefers terrorists

that weren't captured.

[Ms. Toad]

14. I think he has to be able to name them specifically

Not my area of expertise - but even though pardons can be broad and given in advance of conviction, I think they have to identify the person being pardoned.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

16. They don't have to be named specifically

President Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers, no names were required.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Thanks!

like I said - outside of my specific area of expertise, and Everything I could find on the pardon process included names.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. It would ensure his conviction by the senate, and pardons certainly would be challenged. Nt

[Happy Hoosier]

23. Self pardons MUST be challenged

If they are allowed to stand, the President IS above the law.