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struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:43 PM Jan 2021

Republicans fractured

... Many party members believe such fractures will be exposed in swing states and across primary elections in the coming months and years, as moderates seek to loosen the influence of Trump and his supporters.

One faction, Trump loyalists determined to punish elected Republicans who supported impeachment after the attack on the Capitol, features a number of new Congress members blindly devoted to Trumpism and determined to move the party even further right.

More than 100 Republican members of the House and a handful of senators voted to oppose certification of Joe Biden’s victory in November’s presidential election that Trump falsely insists he won ...

Senior Republicans, including McConnell, are seeking to prevent more extreme politicians from seeking higher office. Scott Reed, a McConnell ally and former Republican strategist, told the Times: “In 2022, we’ll be faced with the Trump pitchfork crowd, and there will need to be an effort to beat them back ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/donald-trump-republican-party-divided-impeachment-capitol-attack

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Republicans fractured (Original Post) struggle4progress Jan 2021 OP
Republicans grapple with conspiracy caucus struggle4progress Jan 2021 #1
Some in GOP parrot talk of civil war struggle4progress Jan 2021 #2
Fractured Fascism Tales Blue Owl Jan 2021 #3
Donor backlash fuels GOP alarm struggle4progress Jan 2021 #4
They have to convict Trump in the Senate, and do the political Office permaban. mackdaddy Jan 2021 #5
"Going easy on these people will not work" struggle4progress Jan 2021 #6
Mickey Edwards says GOP has become a cult struggle4progress Jan 2021 #7
Normally the party of of power wins seats in the midterm. This is going to be so fresh still Quixote1818 Jan 2021 #8
Republicans need to accept chaos and losses if they want to clean it up. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #9
St. Croix GOP chairman resigns after 'prepare for war' post struggle4progress Jan 2021 #10
Sort of OT, but the 2022 senate map for the GOP is really bad. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #11
(Mona Charen) Trump has finally crossed a line struggle4progress Jan 2021 #12
Works for me Mabel Jan 2021 #13

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
1. Republicans grapple with conspiracy caucus
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:45 PM
Jan 2021

... How deep into the GOP's infrastructure QAnon has penetrated is an open question. So too is how Trump's departure from the presidency and banishment from most social media will affect the reach of conspiracy within the Republican Party.

"This stuff has always been part of the stew," said Liam Donovan, a Republican strategist in Washington. "Trump just turned up the heat and brought it to the surface.

The value of courting QAnon, to the extent Republican leaders like Trump considered it, was in delivering votes from a disaffected, passionate base of support. The risk of doing so was that they'd get a seat at the table.

The House Republican conference now includes two QAnon adherents, freshman Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert. While Greene has walked back her support and said the QAnon candidate label "doesn't represent me," she has praised "Q" as a patriot and spread baseless conspiracy theories linked to the movement. And though Boebert has claimed she's not a follower and worked to distance herself from the conspiracy theorists, she has said of QAnon, "I hope that this is real" ...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/qanon-gop-trump-congress-future/index.html

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
2. Some in GOP parrot talk of civil war
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jan 2021

... In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.” The incoming chairwoman of the Michigan GOP and her husband, a state lawmaker, have joined a conservative social media site created after the Capitol riot where the possibility of civil war is a topic.

Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms! Drumroll please….. Civil War or No Civil War?” ...

Randy Voepel, a state Assemblyman in California, backtracked after referencing an earlier war — the American Revolution — in a Jan. 9 San Diego Union-Tribune article: “This is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny. Tyranny will follow in the aftermath of the Biden swear in on January 20th” ...

The other California Republican, Reynolds, said he has no plans to step down from his local party position. He told the San Francisco Chronicle that he wasn’t trying to incite violence with his “war has begun” rhetoric, but simply reporting what he saw on television: “My statement was that this can’t happen. I was condemning it with my words. It was taken out of context,” he said ...

https://www.wavy.com/news/politics/some-in-the-gop-parrot-far-right-talk-of-a-coming-civil-war/

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
4. Donor backlash fuels GOP alarm
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:50 PM
Jan 2021

... The GOP already faces a difficult Senate map in 2022, when 14 Democratic-held seats and 20 Republican ones will be on the ballot. That includes at least two open seats that Republicans will be defending because of the retirements of GOP Sens. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Richard Burr of North Carolina.

But some in the party say the problem may be bigger than the map. Eight Republican senators voted to reject Electoral College votes for President-elect Joe Biden, even after the ransacking of the Capitol by a mob of Donald Trump supporters who were exhorted by the president to stop Congress from certifying Biden's victory. Five people died in the mayhem, including a Capitol Police officer ...

Recriminations were swift, with more than a dozen corporate giants — including AT&T, Nike, Comcast, Dow, Marriott, Walmart and Verizon — pledging to withhold donations to Republican lawmakers who voted to reject the outcome of the election in Arizona or Pennsylvania. One of those lawmakers, Florida Sen. Rick Scott, is the new chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, a post that makes him the public face of the Senate Republican fundraising efforts ...

“There are some members who by their actions will have forfeited the support of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,” Neil Bradley, the chamber’s chief policy officer, said this week. “Our PAC will continue to support those candidates who demonstrate that type of commitment to governing and democratic norms and our priorities” ...

https://www.carolinacoastonline.com/national/article_6417ed74-5823-11eb-9f8f-4b786a274273.html

mackdaddy

(1,527 posts)
5. They have to convict Trump in the Senate, and do the political Office permaban.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:54 PM
Jan 2021

I just depends on how many of the true crazies and crass power grabbers there are vs just the old time corrupt Republicans.

If any of them want to run for President, they have to get Trump out of the way. I am not sure they will be able to get rid of Trumpism any time soon.

I still believe that if they had convicted Trump last year instead of willfully ignoring his criminal behavior they would have been much more likely to Take the Presidency, the Senate, and the House in this last election.

The Republicans are an awful combination of grabbing for raw power, trembling in fear of their own trump monster base, and just plain evil. I do not know which way they will go.

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
6. "Going easy on these people will not work"
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:55 PM
Jan 2021

... Mike Lofgren, a former Republican congressional staff member of 28 years, began warning about the danger of the GOP in 2011, even going so far as to condemn his longtime party as a "death cult." Before his retirement, Lofgren worked in both the House and Senate as a specialist staffer for national security affairs, tasked with analyzing Pentagon budget requests and preparing military-related legislation ...

I worked for three decades in Congress. Regardless of how peeved I might have been over some policy or another, I was proud of my public service. To see the place trashed like that, and I mean really desecrated — there were people shitting on the floor, and smearing it on the walls. The insane violence of a mob beating a cop with a fire extinguisher and shoving him down the marble stairs was horrifying. At the same time, once the mob was dispersed, they went throughout the D.C. metro area randomly beating up people whom they could victimize. Later that afternoon, my daughter, who does not live in D.C. but in Arlington, across the river, was out walking her dog, and saw these thugs spewing out of the Metro station like toxic waste. She had to do a 180. Arlington was placed under curfew that night. All these occurrences, including having to worry about my own family's safety, left some pretty vivid impressions, to say the least ...

In terms of the larger picture, at least three allied European intelligence agencies believe that Trump fomented the mob because he could not get the military to assist him. They have suggested there was at least some degree of collusion with federal law enforcement. Given how fast the Capitol Police chief resigned and left the building, there's some credence to that. Second, that view is reinforced by a former senior official on Trump's National Security Council — Fiona Hill, whom everyone should recognize from the Russiagate testimony she gave. She believes that Trump was consciously trying to trigger a coup using the military, and that the intervention from 10 former secretaries of defense may have prevented it ...

It is necessary to see the historical analogies that tell us what works and what doesn't work. The thing that pops into everyone's mind is the Civil War. People tend to get all misty-eyed about Lincoln's statement, "With malice toward none, and charity for all." That was his second inaugural address in March of 1865. What were the results? A couple of weeks later, what he got out of it was a bullet in the head. What Blacks got out of it was Jim Crow. What Confederates got was pardons, amnesties, dropped charges and the ability to rewrite history. The rest of us were saddled with them, and now we have a large portion of the country — a single region that is basically a Third World state ...


https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/longtime-gop-insider-mike-lofgren-on-his-former-party-going-easy-on-these-people-will-not-work/

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
7. Mickey Edwards says GOP has become a cult
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:57 PM
Jan 2021

... "There is no Republican Party anymore that has values, principles, morals, anything," he told KFOR-TV ...

"This has become a cult," he said. "It's no longer a political party. It's a cult. It's the kind of a cult that when the leader of the cult does anything, no matter what it is, or how awful it is, they voted," Edwards said.

He added: "They voted to question the election results even after people came into the Capitol, tried to kill them and killed a police officer who was trying to protect them" ...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-rep-mickey-edwards-says-hes-leaving-the-gop-because-it-has-become-a-cult-under-trump-its-no-longer-a-political-party/ar-BB1cOiYa?li=BBnb7Kz

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
8. Normally the party of of power wins seats in the midterm. This is going to be so fresh still
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:57 PM
Jan 2021

I bet Dems actually pick up seats in two years which would be unprecedented.

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
10. St. Croix GOP chairman resigns after 'prepare for war' post
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jan 2021

... The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that members of the St. Croix County Republican Party Executive Committee asked for John Kraft's resignation. His post, made before the riot last week at the U.S. Capitol, garnered attention after the violence in Washington, D.C. Kraft had refused calls from the state Republican Party to remove the post.

The county website was down on Friday.

“The website was created and posted by our chairman, without consultation, review, or approval of the Executive Committee,” the county party said in a statement. “We reject the language used and have taken down the website. The resignation of the chairman was requested and received” ...

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/st-croix-county-gop-chairman-resigns-after-prepare-for-war-post-he-refused-to-remove/article_8ac84847-d228-5c9e-ab79-5b23079b0d09.html

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
11. Sort of OT, but the 2022 senate map for the GOP is really bad.
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 04:02 PM
Jan 2021

Obviously incumbent presidents haven’t done great in mid terms (W Bush won a senate majority in 2002 and lost it in 2006) but there is opportunity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/08/politics/2022-senate-democrats/index.html

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
12. (Mona Charen) Trump has finally crossed a line
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jan 2021

... I like a conversion as much as the next person, but sorry, there was always a whiff of fascism about Trump. Don’t tell us you’re just discovering it now. His fascination with strength instead of values, his promises to commit war crimes, his twisted admiration of strongmen, his avalanche of lies, his ignorance of and contempt for law, his targeting of minority groups, his stoking of grievance and victimhood. It was all there. Yes, it was interspersed with humor and entertainment. Think that means it can’t be dangerous? Have you ever seen a Hugo Chavez or Rodrigo Duterte speech?

Didn’t Republicans see him encouraging violence among his followers at rallies in 2016? Don’t they remember the thuggish threats his people issued during the 2016 campaign?

Trump was always clear about his attraction to political violence. He warned that if elected, Hillary Clinton could curtail gun rights. “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.” The crowd booed. He then added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know” ...

https://triblive.com/opinion/mona-charen-finally-trump-has-crossed-a-line-for-gop-conservatives/

When Mona starts worrying the GOP may be way up Shizzy Creek without any paddles and even she starts playing centrist tunes, the party must be full of extremist loons

Mabel

(79 posts)
13. Works for me
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 04:16 PM
Jan 2021

I would be happy to provide the flatware, plate along with a tiny violinist to accommodate the GOP while they eat their own.

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