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CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 06:52 PM Jan 2021

When they say 'law & order', this is what they mean:

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect..." - Frank Wilhoit



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When they say 'law & order', this is what they mean: (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2021 OP
Excellent! Karadeniz Jan 2021 #1
Mission Accomplished? czarjak Jan 2021 #2
Here's the entire quote (it's not by the famous political scientist Frank Wilhoit, who died in 2010) Celerity Jan 2021 #3
Thank you for posting this quotation. Brother Mythos Jan 2021 #4

Celerity

(43,414 posts)
3. Here's the entire quote (it's not by the famous political scientist Frank Wilhoit, who died in 2010)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 08:25 PM
Jan 2021

It's a reply made in 2018 on the internet by a musical composer using (or who has the same name) the name of the the famous professor.





Again, it is a 2018 reply to this article:


The travesty of liberalism

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/



here is the reply in toto:

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

Frank Wilhoit 03.22.18 at 12:09 am

There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.

There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.

There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.

No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:

The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
4. Thank you for posting this quotation.
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 08:44 PM
Jan 2021

I find it to an appropriate summation of "conservatism" as I have seen it enacted.

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