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babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 10:56 AM Jan 2021

Mike Pence Has Nowhere to Go

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https://politicalwire.com/2021/01/18/mike-pence-has-nowhere-to-go/

Mike Pence Has Nowhere to Go
January 18, 2021 at 9:24 am EST By Taegan Goddard


Peter Nicholas: “The vice president’s swift journey from acolyte to outcast was head-spinning. This is someone who would pause after mentioning Donald Trump’s name during an address so that the audience had time to clap—and who would then stand silently at the lectern when it didn’t. Editing Pence’s speeches, aides would cut references to Trump when they didn’t believe there was any reason to mention him. Reviewing the changes, Pence would take his Sharpie and add Trump’s name back in, a former Trump-administration official told me.”

“But Pence will see no reward for his fealty, or for his actions on January 6, when he resisted pressure from Trump to toss out the election results. The springboard to the Oval Office that so many vice presidents have used is gone. Not only has Trump’s base turned on him, but Pence is complicit in the Trump administration’s most egregious actions.”
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Mike Pence Has Nowhere to Go (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2021 OP
No tots, no prayers malaise Jan 2021 #1
Just thugs and players. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #3
LOL malaise Jan 2021 #8
Poor little Pence, Mother wouldn't dream of 'handling' his 'problems'. 😬 MLAA Jan 2021 #16
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj malaise Jan 2021 #18
He can have a pocketful of tater tots for consolation cynical_idealist Jan 2021 #56
lol malaise Jan 2021 #57
I know where Pence can go! n/t Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #2
Sleeping with DOGS.....FLEAS.... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2021 #4
True! pandr32 Jan 2021 #36
OHHH...He will have a tell all book out soon. And, it had better be truthful. Lots of people are fwvinson Jan 2021 #41
Hell! gibraltar72 Jan 2021 #5
Womp Womp In_The_Wind Jan 2021 #6
Mike didn't pray hard enough. Now the only thing left for him to do Hotler Jan 2021 #7
Oh, Mother has probably already bought a charming split level essme Jan 2021 #9
Indiana? DFW Jan 2021 #10
Good one! Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #21
Potatoe Jetheels Jan 2021 #32
Indiana doesn't want him AwakeAtLast Jan 2021 #37
Letterman would like to have a word or two with him. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2021 #51
Whether one word or two, I doubt he would understand either one. n/t DFW Jan 2021 #54
how embarrassing that Pence and Quayle are both from Indiana yellowdogintexas Jan 2021 #55
Let's face it, most of the inner midwest are deep deep red, IN included onetexan Jan 2021 #67
perfect Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #11
I remember him in Congress and his time as Governor before his time as VP. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #12
I remember, too. He was despicable then, babylonsister Jan 2021 #13
Yep Solly Mack Jan 2021 #14
Pence KNEW. He did nothing to stop it. theneworiginal Jan 2021 #15
I have to think that Barr's paws are all over the place in the corruption that will be found Escurumbele Jan 2021 #27
Agreed. No way Barr should get to walk off scot free. nt crickets Jan 2021 #59
Barr's crimes: Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #60
Pence NEVER had a future. HE lacked the personality and in fact overshot his ability. Plain Mike. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #17
IMO, Pence looks frightened all the time. In moments when he's Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #61
What? the trustee boards of fortune 500 companies aren't going to roll out the red carpet for him? lindysalsagal Jan 2021 #19
This morning I watched his speech from before Jan. 6th to supporters. chriscan64 Jan 2021 #20
Sweeping floors at Mar-a-lago? nt Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #22
back to the department store window. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2021 #23
The highlited paragraph is as sweet and sucinct political epitath I've ever read. marble falls Jan 2021 #24
Ain't That a Shame lillypaddle Jan 2021 #25
For all of his self-serving, boot licking, ass kissing, unwavering support of Donald Trump, patphil Jan 2021 #26
"He took a stand against the overthrow of the Republic.", he had no choice there is nothing he could Escurumbele Jan 2021 #29
He did have a choice. patphil Jan 2021 #43
lol, he doesn't get credit for being decent enough not to kill someone personally. JI7 Jan 2021 #62
I fully agree. He really isn't a decent man at all. But fortunate his depravity did have a limit. patphil Jan 2021 #63
you forget kiri Jan 2021 #48
Ex-President for hire to stand behind CEO watching him with adoring eyes while he/she gives a speech Escurumbele Jan 2021 #28
Pence will probably continue in the evangelical wing of the Republican Party Klaralven Jan 2021 #30
That Issue Goes Far Beyond Pence DallasNE Jan 2021 #31
I wouldn't count Pence out. He has a olay. aikoaiko Jan 2021 #33
He will become president of a small Xtian college. NCjack Jan 2021 #47
Silhouette Night with mother from here on out Blue Owl Jan 2021 #34
My heart bleeds... dchill Jan 2021 #35
so the low-flow toilets work ok after all, huh?... bringthePaine Jan 2021 #38
One could predict that in 2016 for whomever took the VP job LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #39
Narcissists suck out your soul. Turbineguy Jan 2021 #40
He can be a carnival barker for the evangelical crowd. N/t. lutherj Jan 2021 #42
He would be a great spokesperson logosoco Jan 2021 #44
he won't know what to do KayF Jan 2021 #45
Pence was never accepted as a team member. keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #46
He can go run his brother's flea market since his Captain Zero Jan 2021 #49
There are other things he could do. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #50
He should be grateful he is alive DeeDeeNY Jan 2021 #52
He was an extremely unpopular Indiana governor headed for defeat. argyl Jan 2021 #53
I'll bet Jeff Sessions knows exactly how he feels too FakeNoose Jan 2021 #58
it was embarrassing,,, watching him kiss ass Demovictory9 Jan 2021 #64
The Christian far right will accept Pence back, but the good news is he will Mike 03 Jan 2021 #65
Even the flies have deserted him Martin Eden Jan 2021 #66
 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
41. OHHH...He will have a tell all book out soon. And, it had better be truthful. Lots of people are
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jan 2021

looking at him and waiting for him to f##k up.

Hotler

(11,445 posts)
7. Mike didn't pray hard enough. Now the only thing left for him to do
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jan 2021

is start pulling on them bootstraps.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
10. Indiana?
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jan 2021

Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Isn't there an old Vice-Presidents' home somewhere? He can sit on the veranda and reminisce with Dan Quayle.

AwakeAtLast

(14,134 posts)
37. Indiana doesn't want him
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:59 PM
Jan 2021

We tried to get rid of him when I lived there! Then along comes Cheetolini....

yellowdogintexas

(22,270 posts)
55. how embarrassing that Pence and Quayle are both from Indiana
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jan 2021

I lived in Evansville for 6.5 years, and it was solid blue then. Lots of union activity from Whirlpool, ALcoa and probably others. That Congressional district sent Democrats to the House regularly.

This was early 80s. I moved there in April 1983 and left in November 1989; Democrats and distinguished trustworthy Republicans (Bayh and Lugar) went to the Senate . Those days are gone.

onetexan

(13,061 posts)
67. Let's face it, most of the inner midwest are deep deep red, IN included
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:36 AM
Jan 2021

Take a look at the electoral map: https://www.270towin.com/

Save IL, NM & CO which for the most part are now reliably Blue, GA, & AZ were dogged fights which Biden won by slim margins.
In 2016 Hillary lost the Rustbelt states big time. I believe it was Biden's appeal to the unions and the Black vote that really helped him there. In GA & AZ the Black, Latino & Asian votes helped push Joe over.

As for the rest of the midwestern & southern states, it will be years before Democrats make headway. The root of the problem is clear - racism. Until the nation as a whole can reckon with it, racism will rear its ugly head in every election, in every shape and form - gerrymandering, voter suppression via tougher voting registration requirements, voting location closings in minority areas, etc. - all designed to disenfranchise Black and Brown Americans socially and economically, and stifle their collective rights and voices. This is the divided America we live in now, the racists emboldened by the Con the last 4 years.


Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
12. I remember him in Congress and his time as Governor before his time as VP.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:10 AM
Jan 2021

Pence is a POS and I truly hope he has been ruined beyond repair. I want him to slither back into the ground and never ever come back out.



theneworiginal

(302 posts)
15. Pence KNEW. He did nothing to stop it.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:29 AM
Jan 2021

Same with Barr. At least Barr was smart enough to get out of dodge and not risk his life and that of his family.

Escurumbele

(3,403 posts)
27. I have to think that Barr's paws are all over the place in the corruption that will be found
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jan 2021

I would think, and hope, that Barr will not get away with his crimes...His exit strategy was too late, he did a lot while he was there.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
60. Barr's crimes:
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:30 AM
Jan 2021

My guess is that Barr's crimes were in pursuit of power. Idealized power. Some would commit crimes in pursuit of money.

Barr projected his need for power onto the "unitary executive" concept. He evaded the feeling of shame by converting personal greed for power into an a-priory theoretical construct. It's a Catholic thing.

OnDoutside

(19,973 posts)
17. Pence NEVER had a future. HE lacked the personality and in fact overshot his ability. Plain Mike.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jan 2021

Trump needs a pardon, and the only way I can see Trump not resigning, so he can be pardoned by President Pence, is if he doesn't want Pence to be on an equal level with him. In that situation, Trump will announce a self-pardon and it will be challenged and overturned even by a Conservative SC.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
61. IMO, Pence looks frightened all the time. In moments when he's
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:33 AM
Jan 2021

not supposed to be projecting a public figure persona, he looks absolutely terrified.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
20. This morning I watched his speech from before Jan. 6th to supporters.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jan 2021

He chose his words carefully, trying to build a rickety offramp from the delusion to the inevitable certification of Biden's win. Sorry I don't have a link at the moment. The gist of it was that by debating the objections, their lie would have its day to be heard. He seemed to be gently easing the mob toward acceptance of the results, in a feckless and ultimately failed way.

patphil

(6,215 posts)
26. For all of his self-serving, boot licking, ass kissing, unwavering support of Donald Trump,
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jan 2021

I give him credit for doing one right thing in his entire political career.
He took a stand against the overthrow of the Republic.
Which shows that even an asshole like Pence has his limits.

I don't praise him for this. After all he took an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend the Republic, so this was him just doing what he should be doing.
But it was the one right thing, at the right time, to put and end to Trump's attempt to re-create Nazi Germany in the United States.
Oh, by the way Mike, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Escurumbele

(3,403 posts)
29. "He took a stand against the overthrow of the Republic.", he had no choice there is nothing he could
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jan 2021

have done...His job was simple, open envelopes and count votes, that is it...trump is just an ignorant who thought Pence could, by one stroke of the pen, give him the presidency back, but a Vice-President does not have the authority to do that.

patphil

(6,215 posts)
43. He did have a choice.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jan 2021

He could have refused to do his job. He could have thrown gasoline on a raging fire and spoke out against the certification of the election from the House floor. He could have stood with Trump one more time and let chaos rain down on the Capitol; even harder than it did.
It could have been a lot worse if he had remained steadfast with Trump to the end.
He could have been like all those Representatives and Senators who planned to object to the certification of the election; who continued to claim the election was stolen.

But he didn't.
His choice was to actually do what his position of Vice-President required of him.
But, he could have chosen to do otherwise like so many members of Congress.

You could argue that when the invasion of the Capitol failed, and it did fail, the insurrectionists were the ones who helped Pence, and the Congress finally make the decision to do the right thing. It certainly brought everything into focus and tore away the last veil to expose Trump and his supporters as the seditious creatures that they actually were.
At that point you either stood for the Republic, or against it.
Everything got very real.

patphil

(6,215 posts)
63. I fully agree. He really isn't a decent man at all. But fortunate his depravity did have a limit.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:45 AM
Jan 2021

kiri

(796 posts)
48. you forget
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:32 PM
Jan 2021

what damage he could have wrought if he stood there and declared "the Electoral College vote from Pennsylvania are invalid. I refer the matter back to the PA Legislature. Their 20 votes are not to be tabulated."

This would have created the exact chaos Trump wanted. And a huge Constitutional crisis.

And NOBODY could have stopped Pence. Points of order, parliamentarians, shoutings, chaos.
After an hour, Pence would have just moved on to the next state. Repeat in Wisconsin, et al.

Biden would not have been certified. And would most likely have lost in the Alito-Thomas-Barret Supreme court.

Escurumbele

(3,403 posts)
28. Ex-President for hire to stand behind CEO watching him with adoring eyes while he/she gives a speech
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jan 2021

That is the job he is going to apply for.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
30. Pence will probably continue in the evangelical wing of the Republican Party
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jan 2021

I could see him as the President of some conservative religious university.

With six terms in the House, a term as Governor of Indiana, and his pension as President of the Senate, he's probably pretty well set.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
31. That Issue Goes Far Beyond Pence
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jan 2021

Nearly all US Senators have the same problem. The 2024 Republican nominee will come from the Governors ranks. In fact, Nixon was the last Republican President to have also been a US senator. To find the last sitting Republican US Senator to win the presidency would take you back 100 years.

Enter billionaire Joe Ricketts to start a media company as a platform for his Governor son Pete to run for President. See how that works. And with Iowa right across the river, bingo, a leg up.

aikoaiko

(34,184 posts)
33. I wouldn't count Pence out. He has a olay.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jan 2021

Depending on how things go he could sell himself as the Replicant that saved democracy.

Of course a lot of dominoes would have to fall first before that would work.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
39. One could predict that in 2016 for whomever took the VP job
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:06 PM
Jan 2021

I suspected it. No way Trump would ever allow his VP to take any spot light away from him. And he'd also have to be a smiling clapping zombie for him, praising him whenever possible. And it wasn't hard to predict whomever took that job, the association with the orange grifter, would be tarnished for good.

keithbvadu2

(36,926 posts)
46. Pence was never accepted as a team member.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:20 PM
Jan 2021

Pence was never accepted as a team member.

Just a useful idiot.

He was not a blood relative.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
50. There are other things he could do.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jan 2021

Standing in a cornfield back in Indiana and showing off his dead-eyed stare for hours and hours comes to mind. I'm sure there are others things, as well.

DeeDeeNY

(3,356 posts)
52. He should be grateful he is alive
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jan 2021

If reports are to be believed, he came within a minute of being captured by the “Hang Mike Pence” mob.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
53. He was an extremely unpopular Indiana governor headed for defeat.
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:55 PM
Jan 2021

Then along comes a guy he can look adoringly at and could maybe even make him him president.

Here's another option:you may justifully go to prison.

FakeNoose

(32,773 posts)
58. I'll bet Jeff Sessions knows exactly how he feels too
Mon Jan 18, 2021, 03:44 PM
Jan 2021

Chump will never appreciate anything that anyone has done for him. Ever.


Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
65. The Christian far right will accept Pence back, but the good news is he will
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:40 AM
Jan 2021

never be president and likely won't run.

He's idolized by the Christian Nationalists and they won't break with Pence over what's transpired these last weeks. In fact, the Christian far right is fully aware that it sold its soul to support Trump in the first place. That marriage was always tenuous, forced and rocky. They might go back to supporting Ted Cruz or someone else more sincerely devoted to their cause.

Over the last few weeks we've seen those headlines suggesting the RW Christians are trying to estrange themselves from the Trump debacle: "Christian Evangelicals in a moment of soul-searching..."

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