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womp womp
https://politicalwire.com/2021/01/18/mike-pence-has-nowhere-to-go/
Mike Pence Has Nowhere to Go
January 18, 2021 at 9:24 am EST By Taegan Goddard
But Pence will see no reward for his fealty, or for his actions on January 6, when he resisted pressure from Trump to toss out the election results. The springboard to the Oval Office that so many vice presidents have used is gone. Not only has Trumps base turned on him, but Pence is complicit in the Trump administrations most egregious actions.
malaise
(269,182 posts)Mother can handle his problems
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)malaise
(269,182 posts)and they are thugs and (well) ex-players in 50 hours
MLAA
(17,330 posts)malaise
(269,182 posts)cynical_idealist
(362 posts)His guilt is proportional to pino's
malaise
(269,182 posts)I don't care do you
Yonnie3
(17,490 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,793 posts)Pence is damaged goods.
Not even a book deal will save him.
pandr32
(11,617 posts)Who the hell would want to read a book by Mike Pence?
fwvinson
(488 posts)looking at him and waiting for him to f##k up.
gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Hotler
(11,445 posts)is start pulling on them bootstraps.
essme
(1,207 posts)in Terre Haute---
They'll be fine.
DFW
(54,445 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:23 PM - Edit history (1)
Isn't there an old Vice-Presidents' home somewhere? He can sit on the veranda and reminisce with Dan Quayle.
Wicked Blue
(5,854 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,134 posts)We tried to get rid of him when I lived there! Then along comes Cheetolini....
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)KY........
DFW
(54,445 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)I lived in Evansville for 6.5 years, and it was solid blue then. Lots of union activity from Whirlpool, ALcoa and probably others. That Congressional district sent Democrats to the House regularly.
This was early 80s. I moved there in April 1983 and left in November 1989; Democrats and distinguished trustworthy Republicans (Bayh and Lugar) went to the Senate . Those days are gone.
onetexan
(13,061 posts)Take a look at the electoral map: https://www.270towin.com/
Save IL, NM & CO which for the most part are now reliably Blue, GA, & AZ were dogged fights which Biden won by slim margins.
In 2016 Hillary lost the Rustbelt states big time. I believe it was Biden's appeal to the unions and the Black vote that really helped him there. In GA & AZ the Black, Latino & Asian votes helped push Joe over.
As for the rest of the midwestern & southern states, it will be years before Democrats make headway. The root of the problem is clear - racism. Until the nation as a whole can reckon with it, racism will rear its ugly head in every election, in every shape and form - gerrymandering, voter suppression via tougher voting registration requirements, voting location closings in minority areas, etc. - all designed to disenfranchise Black and Brown Americans socially and economically, and stifle their collective rights and voices. This is the divided America we live in now, the racists emboldened by the Con the last 4 years.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)Pence is a POS and I truly hope he has been ruined beyond repair. I want him to slither back into the ground and never ever come back out.
babylonsister
(171,094 posts)even more so now.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)theneworiginal
(302 posts)Same with Barr. At least Barr was smart enough to get out of dodge and not risk his life and that of his family.
Escurumbele
(3,403 posts)I would think, and hope, that Barr will not get away with his crimes...His exit strategy was too late, he did a lot while he was there.
crickets
(25,983 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)My guess is that Barr's crimes were in pursuit of power. Idealized power. Some would commit crimes in pursuit of money.
Barr projected his need for power onto the "unitary executive" concept. He evaded the feeling of shame by converting personal greed for power into an a-priory theoretical construct. It's a Catholic thing.
OnDoutside
(19,973 posts)Trump needs a pardon, and the only way I can see Trump not resigning, so he can be pardoned by President Pence, is if he doesn't want Pence to be on an equal level with him. In that situation, Trump will announce a self-pardon and it will be challenged and overturned even by a Conservative SC.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)not supposed to be projecting a public figure persona, he looks absolutely terrified.
lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)chriscan64
(1,789 posts)He chose his words carefully, trying to build a rickety offramp from the delusion to the inevitable certification of Biden's win. Sorry I don't have a link at the moment. The gist of it was that by debating the objections, their lie would have its day to be heard. He seemed to be gently easing the mob toward acceptance of the results, in a feckless and ultimately failed way.
Wicked Blue
(5,854 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,022 posts)rejoin his fellow mannequins
marble falls
(57,252 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)patphil
(6,215 posts)I give him credit for doing one right thing in his entire political career.
He took a stand against the overthrow of the Republic.
Which shows that even an asshole like Pence has his limits.
I don't praise him for this. After all he took an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend the Republic, so this was him just doing what he should be doing.
But it was the one right thing, at the right time, to put and end to Trump's attempt to re-create Nazi Germany in the United States.
Oh, by the way Mike, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Escurumbele
(3,403 posts)have done...His job was simple, open envelopes and count votes, that is it...trump is just an ignorant who thought Pence could, by one stroke of the pen, give him the presidency back, but a Vice-President does not have the authority to do that.
patphil
(6,215 posts)He could have refused to do his job. He could have thrown gasoline on a raging fire and spoke out against the certification of the election from the House floor. He could have stood with Trump one more time and let chaos rain down on the Capitol; even harder than it did.
It could have been a lot worse if he had remained steadfast with Trump to the end.
He could have been like all those Representatives and Senators who planned to object to the certification of the election; who continued to claim the election was stolen.
But he didn't.
His choice was to actually do what his position of Vice-President required of him.
But, he could have chosen to do otherwise like so many members of Congress.
You could argue that when the invasion of the Capitol failed, and it did fail, the insurrectionists were the ones who helped Pence, and the Congress finally make the decision to do the right thing. It certainly brought everything into focus and tore away the last veil to expose Trump and his supporters as the seditious creatures that they actually were.
At that point you either stood for the Republic, or against it.
Everything got very real.
JI7
(89,274 posts)patphil
(6,215 posts)kiri
(796 posts)what damage he could have wrought if he stood there and declared "the Electoral College vote from Pennsylvania are invalid. I refer the matter back to the PA Legislature. Their 20 votes are not to be tabulated."
This would have created the exact chaos Trump wanted. And a huge Constitutional crisis.
And NOBODY could have stopped Pence. Points of order, parliamentarians, shoutings, chaos.
After an hour, Pence would have just moved on to the next state. Repeat in Wisconsin, et al.
Biden would not have been certified. And would most likely have lost in the Alito-Thomas-Barret Supreme court.
Escurumbele
(3,403 posts)That is the job he is going to apply for.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)I could see him as the President of some conservative religious university.
With six terms in the House, a term as Governor of Indiana, and his pension as President of the Senate, he's probably pretty well set.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Nearly all US Senators have the same problem. The 2024 Republican nominee will come from the Governors ranks. In fact, Nixon was the last Republican President to have also been a US senator. To find the last sitting Republican US Senator to win the presidency would take you back 100 years.
Enter billionaire Joe Ricketts to start a media company as a platform for his Governor son Pete to run for President. See how that works. And with Iowa right across the river, bingo, a leg up.
aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)Depending on how things go he could sell himself as the Replicant that saved democracy.
Of course a lot of dominoes would have to fall first before that would work.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Blue Owl
(50,507 posts)dchill
(38,544 posts)...but not for Pence. Any fate that leaves him a free man is too good for him.
bringthePaine
(1,733 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)I suspected it. No way Trump would ever allow his VP to take any spot light away from him. And he'd also have to be a smiling clapping zombie for him, praising him whenever possible. And it wasn't hard to predict whomever took that job, the association with the orange grifter, would be tarnished for good.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Pence is smart enough to know that and not be proof of it.
lutherj
(2,496 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)for a flypaper company!
KayF
(1,345 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,926 posts)Pence was never accepted as a team member.
Just a useful idiot.
He was not a blood relative.
Captain Zero
(6,824 posts)Brother is in Congress. Haha.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,571 posts)Standing in a cornfield back in Indiana and showing off his dead-eyed stare for hours and hours comes to mind. I'm sure there are others things, as well.
DeeDeeNY
(3,356 posts)If reports are to be believed, he came within a minute of being captured by the Hang Mike Pence mob.
argyl
(3,064 posts)Then along comes a guy he can look adoringly at and could maybe even make him him president.
Here's another option:you may justifully go to prison.
FakeNoose
(32,773 posts)Chump will never appreciate anything that anyone has done for him. Ever.
Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)never be president and likely won't run.
He's idolized by the Christian Nationalists and they won't break with Pence over what's transpired these last weeks. In fact, the Christian far right is fully aware that it sold its soul to support Trump in the first place. That marriage was always tenuous, forced and rocky. They might go back to supporting Ted Cruz or someone else more sincerely devoted to their cause.
Over the last few weeks we've seen those headlines suggesting the RW Christians are trying to estrange themselves from the Trump debacle: "Christian Evangelicals in a moment of soul-searching..."
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)They had a taste of his head and decided they like feces better.