Reading McConnell's latest comments re: Orange Bozo

[apcalc]

Thinking he might vote to convict re:impeachment.

What are the implications assuming Bozo will already be out of office...?
( I know the first prez convicted.)

The vote to keep him from running for anything again is separate.

Given that Bozo feels no embarrassment or shame ( it’ll be another witch hunt!!!) , what will it really mean?

[mr_lebowski]

1. I believe it will remove multiple post-office benefits like lifetime SS protection ...

Which should make it a much simpler matter to put his ass in the clink.

[RockRaven]

5. I believe the law says that he loses that stuff if he is removed* from office...

*removed is the word used in the text, not "convicted" -- while in normal circumstances those are functionally equivalent, they are different words...

And so Trump will certainly sue to try to get his pension/money and he will claim that he wasn't "removed" because he was already out of office. I've got no idea what the courts will say about that.

[StarfishSaver]

9. True

Surely, it never occurred to the drafters of the statute that a president would be impeached a week before leaving office but convicted after his term ends.

[Wounded Bear]

15. It might depend on the "penalty phase" of the operation...

I don't think the pension or other shit is even in the Constitution. In many ways, those are modern constructs provided for security reasons. The Senate may have to vote on how much they strip from him.

Hell, I say take it all.

Fuck his feelings.

[RockRaven]

17. The only penalty allowed besides removal is disqualification from future federal offices.

That is to say the only other penalty the Senate decides on as part of the impeachment trial. The Senate cannot fine, execute, imprison, or whatever as a penalty for conviction in an impeachment trial. Not directly.

As noted, embedded in laws about pensions and office staff allowances, etc. are caveats about people who've been impeached and removed not getting them. New harsher laws could be passed, of course, but new penalties generally cannot be imposed retroactively.

[apcalc]

18. Agree...and "lock him up" to boot

[StarfishSaver]

7. Unfortunately, it won't do those things

The only penalty that can be imposed will be disqualification.

The statute takes away post-presidential pension and budget only if a president is removed from office.

His Secret Service protection is guaranteed under a different statute, which doesn't condition protection on the manner in which a president has left office.

[OnDoutside]

2. If they do one, they'll do the other. It is in Republican's interest to see Trump barred from office

[cyndensco]

3. Sunny on The View said recently that past presidents receive $1M for travel expenses

and of course a pension. He would lose both.

Bastard could continue doing major harm with that travel budget. PLEASE CONVICT HIM!

[C_U_L8R]

4. Or just fishing for payola.

They don't do squat either way without getting paid

[Towlie]

6. "Bozo"?

 
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[KY_EnviroGuy]

8. If he's talking like that, McConnell is under pressure from corporate friends.

He's always been the servant of corporate interests: big tobacco, big healthcare or any other interest that keeps the GOP in power.

It's for certain he's not doing it in the interest of Kentuckians or other everyday citizens.

A lot of corporations now seem to see tRump as an albatross......

[StarfishSaver]

10. If 2/3 vote conviction, it's pretty certain a majority to disqualify him from future office

[Wounded Bear]

13. If we get the conviction, 50 Dems plus VP Harris would do it...

[StarfishSaver]

14. eyup

[obamanut2012]

11. They are losing loads of donor money

I bet he will vote to convict. This is the shot across the bow.

[Wounded Bear]

12. If Moscow Mitch really flips, he might drag enough Repubs along...

to get the conviction. Several Sens are looking at 2024, and if they can preclude Trump running they might think that is an advantage.

[apcalc]

19. I'm thinking so. They have major party repair to do.

[NYC Liberal]

20. I think he will only vote to convict if he knows there are 16 others.

It will give him cover if 2/3 vote the same way.

He’ll acquit if the votes aren’t there.

[apcalc]

22. I'm thinking if he gives the word they'll do it.

[Midnight Writer]

16. McConnell is positioning. Act reasonable now so he will be at the table to dilute Dem legislation.

I am sure the oligarchy is panicking over Democrat's reform agenda, particularly banning dark money.

[apcalc]

21. You may be right. Wouldn't surprise me.