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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:22 PM Jan 2021

An unapologetic Biden is finally saying goodbye to the centrism that hobbled Democrats for decades

An unapologetic Biden is finally saying goodbye to the centrism that hobbled Democrats for decades

Jan 23, 2021 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time 
by Kerry Eleveld, Daily Kos Staff

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/23/2011376/-An-unapologetic-Biden-is-finally-saying-goodbye-to-the-centrism-that-hobbled-Democrats-for-decades

"SNIP.....

As Barack Obama's inauguration kicked off on Jan. 20, 2009, LGBTQ Americans across the country watched with mixed emotions while evangelical pastor Rick Warren delivered the invocation. Though the vast majority of them had voted for Obama, Warren had urged members of his California-based megachurch to vote in favor of a ballot measure stripping marriage rights from same-sex couples; indeed, Proposition 8 narrowly passed on the same night Obama was elevated to the highest office in the land. Election Night had been a double-edged sword for gay and transgender individuals, and Warren's presence made the inauguration bittersweet as well.

But Obama's pick of Warren symbolized what ultimately emerged as a stumbling block to his ability to accomplish many of the priorities liberals had voted for in 2008 and which were also broadly popular—action on immigration, climate change, and, at least initially, queer rights. Obama was an incrementalist at heart, and he was still approaching Republicans as rational players in America's democratic experiment. Including an anti-gay evangelical pastor in his inauguration was one of several olive branches Obama extended to conservatives in the early days of his administration in what would prove to be a fruitless effort to win their cooperation. A dozen years later, however, Obama's former No. 2—a man who was viewed in the 2020 Democratic primary as far less progressive than Obama was seen in the 2008 contest—is quickly advancing a far more unapologetically progressive agenda from Day One of his administration.

In fact, President Joe Biden has quickly dispensed of many of the old Obama-era battles that flummoxed liberals and eventually drew them to the streets to protest the administration's inaction. Biden has already sent Congress a bold immigration bill that unequivocally includes a pathway to citizenship, expanded green card access, and fortifies the DACA program for Dreamers established by Obama in 2012. Biden also immediately yanked the Keystone XL pipeline permit—an action Obama didn't take until 2015, after years of pushing by climate activists. And building on the many hard-fought Obama-era wins on LGBTQ equality, Biden quickly signed an order pushing the most aggressive interpretation of Title VII protections for transgender and gay Americans in employment, housing, and education.  

Sure, these are old battles. And to some extent, Biden has benefited from a natural evolution of the issues over a decade. That is particularly true on policies concerning the LGBTQ movement, which emerged from Obama's presidency lightyears ahead of where it began. But it is also a measure of how far the progressive movement has come over the past decade that we aren't immediately having to go to battle with a Democratic administration that seems less intent on advancing liberal causes than using them as bargaining chips on the way to accomplishing other goals. So far, that vestige of 90s-era Clintonian politics seems to have finally been laid to rest in the Biden White House. 

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An unapologetic Biden is finally saying goodbye to the centrism that hobbled Democrats for decades (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2021 OP
Excellent!! Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #1
OMG, please let this be true. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #2
About Goddamn Time montanacowboy Jan 2021 #3
yup. my thoughts exactly peacebuzzard Jan 2021 #6
And statehood for Puerto Rico as well - 2 more Senators. TheRickles Jan 2021 #11
And statehood for the US Virgin Islands. nt iluvtennis Jan 2021 #20
And statehood for DC James48 Jan 2021 #38
Manchin, plus perhaps some other Dem Senators (6 refused to co-sponsor) oppose DC statehood, PR Celerity Jan 2021 #29
Re: The second issue NYC Liberal Jan 2021 #42
Perhaps a law dictating that no one can legally register to vote in the Federal Enclave might Celerity Jan 2021 #43
Hm, but if no electors are chosen, they actually wouldn't be part of the total. NYC Liberal Jan 2021 #44
that might work, yes Celerity Jan 2021 #45
I was told you can't negotiate UpInArms Jan 2021 #4
Excellent! Thanks for posting. mountain grammy Jan 2021 #5
I couldn't stand to watch Obama's inauguration for precisely the reasons stated Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #7
K&R, if he does what is popular he'll win again easy uponit7771 Jan 2021 #8
To my ear bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #9
We've always been told Biden is "pragmatic" dflprincess Jan 2021 #12
Yes. Agree. bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #13
Or LBJ JustAnotherGen Jan 2021 #16
Exactly, This is all possible because of black voters, especially black women JI7 Jan 2021 #28
He IS pragmatic . He knows where the country is now. More minorites and less White people JI7 Jan 2021 #27
Exactly! Pres Biden can be Pragmatic & Cha Jan 2021 #46
Go, Joe Go! Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #10
Biden is smart. He ran center left and is governing even more left. brush Jan 2021 #14
I pray this lasts!!! LymphocyteLover Jan 2021 #15
Don't worry. LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #17
We said for over a year BGBD Jan 2021 #18
I didn't know that about Rick Warren. There are worse evangelicals, but I read his book and he's Karadeniz Jan 2021 #19
It's been four long years, and I am proud to once again say Dem2theMax Jan 2021 #21
The good news is that for all the great things Obama did, he can admit applegrove Jan 2021 #22
I don't totally agree. Democrats were more moderate because that's where the country was. GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #23
I'll believe it when I see it! WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #24
I heart mzmolly Jan 2021 #25
Man I hope this is true tiredtoo Jan 2021 #26
FDR's leftist policies won him three terms - he was so popular that Liberty Belle Jan 2021 #30
FDR was elected President four times. He died during the fourth term. liberalla Jan 2021 #32
K n R ! Thanks for posting! nt JoeOtterbein Jan 2021 #31
Remember, it was Biden who first came out summer_in_TX Jan 2021 #33
Exactly what I thought of when Cha Jan 2021 #47
This is making me smile. Sounds like Joe really learned the lesson of Obama's term... Hekate Jan 2021 #34
He knows that what worked in 1992, just doesn't work in 2020. sandensea Jan 2021 #35
Biden has experience with this sort of thing IronLionZion Jan 2021 #36
Centrism may be THE reason Clinton lost in 2016. badboy67 Jan 2021 #37
James Comey is THE reason Clinton lost in 2016. (eom) StevieM Jan 2021 #39
No. Cha Jan 2021 #48
Finally, the Democratic Party is undergoing a message rehabilitation. democrank Jan 2021 #40
Good. moondust Jan 2021 #41
This whole centrist characterization got debunked since he built his Transition Team, anyway. ancianita Jan 2021 #49
"Bernie's progressive goals got into half the party platform" -- what do you mean? betsuni Jan 2021 #51
Sen Casey was on MSNBC or CNN yesterday DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #50
Joe Biden is following the platform he ran on. Progressive dog Jan 2021 #52

montanacowboy

(6,089 posts)
3. About Goddamn Time
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:30 PM
Jan 2021

We need to seize the power we have now and use it!!!!!!! We need to get DC Statehood, giving us two more Senators. We must get rid of the filibuster. We have the people at our back and if we retreat one step and go back to the old way of kissing their asses, the Democratic Party will be done.

We need to fight like hell for every Senate and House Seat and build our majority and squeeze these bastards into the hell holes they came from.

Celerity

(43,402 posts)
29. Manchin, plus perhaps some other Dem Senators (6 refused to co-sponsor) oppose DC statehood, PR
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jan 2021

statehood, and oppose doing away with the filibuster and SCOTUS expansion (far more than 1 or 2 oppose some of those). To even get a vote in the Senate for DC statehood, we will likely have to somehow overcome a filibuster.

There also is another issue that I have never seen discussed here.

The 23rd Amendment gave the DC residents 3 electoral votes. The DC statehood bill, in order to conform to the Constitution (another part that mandates a separate federal seat of national government) reduces the FEDERAL ENCLAVE (what the whole of DC is now) to just a small complex of buildings, with the only residents being those officially living in the White House.

IF the DC statehood law is passed now, whoever is POTUS will control 3 full electoral votes, potentially negating (if the POTUS is a Rethug) the State of Columbia's (or whatever DC is called after statehood) 3 EV's (guaranteed Democratic). The 23rd Amendment needs to be repealed somehow, IF DC becomes a state in such manner as the current bill calls for.


good link for much of this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/01/08/washington-dc-statehood-faq/

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
42. Re: The second issue
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:16 AM
Jan 2021

Electors aren't required to be selected by direct popular vote. State legislatures determine how they are chosen, and Congress, ultimately, is the legislature for the federal district. They could pass a law to have the electors chosen in some other way; perhaps have them given to the winner of the national popular vote.

Also — I'm pretty sure no president has actually voted in DC. Don't they maintain residences in their home state and vote there? I could be wrong, but I know at least Obama and Trump did that.

Celerity

(43,402 posts)
43. Perhaps a law dictating that no one can legally register to vote in the Federal Enclave might
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:49 AM
Jan 2021

work, but I do not know if that would pass constitutional muster. Also, the 3 EV's WILL still exist, even if there is no one to vote and thus activate them, barring a constitutional amendment, so the total EV's would no longer be 538, but 541, and thus 271 needed to win. The positive is there would no longer be the possibility of a tie, and thus the nightmare of going to the House.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
44. Hm, but if no electors are chosen, they actually wouldn't be part of the total.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:22 AM
Jan 2021

The 12th Amendment says:

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed


Only the electors appointed count. So, the district could potentially just not appoint any.

Celerity

(43,402 posts)
45. that might work, yes
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:28 AM
Jan 2021

This whole thing (far beyond just DC statehood) is madness.

The Rethugs have gamed the system at most every level to give them power FAR beyond what they should have.

The Senate itself is a crazily undemocratic institution. Soon 70% of the seats will be controlled by just 30% of the population, and that 30% is far more white, less educated, more rural, more reactionary RW, more fundie religious, more anti-science than the other 70% of the population.

The Electoral College itself is the ONLY way the Rethugs can ever win the POTUS now, as it can block massive, permanent (I think, we shall see) popular vote victories by us.

Gerrymandering maintains another systemically unfair power advantage at both state (House and Senate) and federal (House) levels. Not only does this fuck up state assemblies and the House, but now Trump has helped put a turd in the punchbowl by kneecapping the 2020 Census, so it is possible that we get robbed out of a few seats at both state and federal levels. This (at the federal level) also fucks, possibly, with the Electoral College possibly being unfairly tilted (due to massive undercounts in Blue states) as the result of post 2020 reapportionment.

The Rethugs have absolutely fucked up the Federal judiciary system for decades, including the SCOTUS. Because of all listed in this rant, there is little we can do to solve this at present, as we do not have the votes to expand any level of the federal courts, including and especially SCOTUS.

The Rethugs also still commit MASSIVE systemic voter suppression (via state control of assemblies and governorships) is so so many Blue areas, especially in Red/pink/purple states such as Houston, etc etc (and of minority areas in red districts), which hurts us at every level, state and federal.

Because of many of these these actions and features of the system, we have to rely on electing so many centrist and conservative Dems in a multiplicity of artificially created purple/pink/red districts, and then we are held captive by these types, who end up blocking most all truly bold actions that could start to dismantle all this Rethug systemic shitbaggery. (which comes fr not only the flawed system and then their shithousery listed above, but also from an inability to pass legislation that would quite possible bring in tens of millions of new voters for us.) A lack of proportional representation is another longwave constitutional destructive force, as it defaults to a two-party system, where us Dems are often the loser as we are more likely to bleed out non-voters on the left than the Rethugs are on the right.

Hopefully we can use Rethug obstructionism as a battle cry to keep our majorities, BUT the very same obstructionism will also drive RW voters to the midterms, in order to try and crush Biden's presidency. 2022 looms ominously, as the last 2 first term Dem POTUS midterms (1994 and 2010- in 2010 we lost a net 63 House and a net 7 senate seats from post 2008) were disastrous for us, and the map is not at all great for us, despite what some have said. We will have 35 to as many as 50 or so House seats in danger, and as for the Senate, we have decent shots at only picking up 3 (the 2 open seats in NC and PA, plus maybe Johnson in WI) and we ourselves have to defend 4 at risk seats.


2022 US Senate 'in-play' races

At-Risk (even if marginal) Dems

In order of risk to us

Georgia (Warnock will be aided by Stacey Abram running for Governor though)
Nevada Catherine Cortez Masto (Brian Sandoval would be by far the toughest Rethug to beat)
New Hampshire Maggie Hassan (her two strongest opponents would probably be Former Senator Kelly Ayotte and especially Governor Sununu, plus the Rethugs flipped BOTH the State Senate and the State House in 2020 and now hold a Trifecta)
Arizona Mark Kelly (It will not be McSally running against him, perhaps it will be Ducey)

then the pretty much locks, but not 100%

Vermont Patrick Leahy (IF he retires, the very popular Rethug Governor Phil Scott may prove to be trouble)
Colorado Michael Bennet (I see little chance for him to lose barring a MASSIVE Red Wave)


Possible Rethug Flips

In order of risk to the Rethugs

Pennsylvania Open Seat (John Fetterman, the current Lieutenant Governor, is probably the favourite atm to win our nomination, along with Josh Shapiro, the current AG)
North Carolina Open Seat (Jeff Jackson can win this for us I think, he would have won in 2020 I am fairly sure, we ended up with the worst of the top 4 or 5 candidates possible)

Wisconsin Ron Johnson (asshat deluxe, I fucking hate this clown, would LOVE to see Mandela Barnes run, he is the current Lieutenant Governor)

the rest are harder

Florida Marco Rubio (will be fairly hard to beat him, barring Ivanka Trump shenanigans)

then the real long shots

Iowa Chuck Grassley (may retire he will turn 90yo in the first year of his next term if he runs, if he retires we have a better, if not great shot)
Kansas Jerry Moran Only shot we have, and it would be a long one, is if Sibelius runs this time, she should have ran in 2020 when it was an open seat for the other one!) If she refuses again, forget winning this seat.

then the pretty much 1% or less chance ones (Kansas will not even make the 1% list if Sibelius refuses to run again)

Kentucky Rand Paul (fucking berk, but this is a pipe dream atm, I fear)
Ohio Rob Portman
Indiana Todd Young (no clue if Buttigieg would try, Indiana is SO Red now, ffs)
Missouri Roy Blunt

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
5. Excellent! Thanks for posting.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:37 PM
Jan 2021

The whole article is great! Yes, yes, yes.. Joe has a mandate and he's using it.. he's learned all he needs to know about republicans..

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
7. I couldn't stand to watch Obama's inauguration for precisely the reasons stated
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:47 PM
Jan 2021

in the first paragraph. It was such a betrayal to LGBT individuals who supported him both with our time and our money to have warren featured at the inauguration.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
9. To my ear
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:04 PM
Jan 2021

Biden has a more thorough understanding of political ideologies, perhaps because he is older with long government service. Johnson was the last Democratic President who handled Republicans like equals.

Perhaps Biden senses the GOP is in the most perilous position of any party in American history, and is seizing the moment. If Democrats can accelerate here, while the GOP is infighting and sandbagged with Trump, maybe we will finally make progress.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
12. We've always been told Biden is "pragmatic"
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jan 2021

Maybe he's decided the time has come when being progressive is pragmatic.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
13. Yes. Agree.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:19 PM
Jan 2021

Once he went to Warm Springs, GA I knew he had bigger ideas in mind, real Democratic ideas. I don't recall other Democratic candidates visiting there. It was a real signal that he might echo FDR's legacy in some ways.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
16. Or LBJ
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jan 2021

FDR wasn't so great for black folks. Biden is saying things in a way LBJ did. He went right at white supremacy in his inaugural speech -

Making me believe we chose the right person. We being black women.

I'm tired of the bullshit. He's not going to leave black Americans put of any Greater Society moves.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
27. He IS pragmatic . He knows where the country is now. More minorites and less White people
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:12 PM
Jan 2021

which means less support for conservative policy and more support for liberal policy which is mainly supported by minorities and women .

Cha

(297,275 posts)
46. Exactly! Pres Biden can be Pragmatic &
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:38 AM
Jan 2021

Progressive.. it means getting things DONE. So you work on going the best way about it.

No purity tests.. that's how he ran his campaign leading to the head Off with the Orange Ogre.

And yea, our most Loyal Voters who GOTV are Black Voters. Especially Black Women! Biden has a Mandate.

brush

(53,784 posts)
14. Biden is smart. He ran center left and is governing even more left.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:20 PM
Jan 2021

That's the formula to win nationwide and in many congressional districts.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
18. We said for over a year
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:40 PM
Jan 2021

that Biden was pushing the most progressive platform in history AND that his centrist image would make him the perfect person to pass a lot of it.

Karadeniz

(22,528 posts)
19. I didn't know that about Rick Warren. There are worse evangelicals, but I read his book and he's
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:42 PM
Jan 2021

Ignorant on theology and science. I wouldn't have chosen him. I guess the Dalai Lama was busy!

applegrove

(118,677 posts)
22. The good news is that for all the great things Obama did, he can admit
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:52 PM
Jan 2021

he made mistakes in his administration so the Democratic Party and people are alltogether on this. I think it will catch on with obama then Trump voters, they'll come back. I think Biden will do well in 2022.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. I don't totally agree. Democrats were more moderate because that's where the country was.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:52 PM
Jan 2021

I’ve been following politics since Carter. Yeah, I know many of you are older. Clinton might not have won without Perot. Americans were way more white, more religious and more conservative 30 years ago.

And if we are going to increase our margin in the House and Senate we will have to embrace a 50 state policy. Trying to win everywhere. I guarantee you any democrat who could win my district will not be super liberal.

America is a centrist left country. Not a European left country.

Don’t confuse my pragmatism with my preference. I’m further left than most Americans. I prefer a French system and would ditch Congress for a 1000 member Parliament. So yeah, I’m to the left of most Americans. But I realize that.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
26. Man I hope this is true
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:04 PM
Jan 2021

We must get back to being supportive of the working man and woman in this country!

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
30. FDR's leftist policies won him three terms - he was so popular that
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:27 PM
Jan 2021

the Constitution was amended to prevent this in the future and limit presidents to only two terms.

He brought us such programs labeled "socialist" at the time such as Social Security and a public works program to put Americans back to work after the Depression, and he long advocated for healthcare for all.

Republicans have tried to demonize such policies ever since, but they were popular in the 1930s and 40s during FDR's long tenure.

summer_in_TX

(2,739 posts)
33. Remember, it was Biden who first came out
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jan 2021

for gay marriage, followed immediately by Obama.

Serving as Obama's VP put him in daily contact with many people of various races, and their stories. With his deep empathy it only makes sense that those stories touched his heart and also stirred his sense of justice.

I'm sure he knows he's the first president since LBJ with the deep knowledge of the Senate he has, and sees the opportunity to do great things for people that Lyndon did. Lyndon wasn't considered liberal at all. But once he had power he used it to do good.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
34. This is making me smile. Sounds like Joe really learned the lesson of Obama's term...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jan 2021

Which is that there is no good faith dealing to be had with McConnell & Co. By all means, offer them the opportunity, but if they do their usual, move on without them, and move on fast.

Oh, and Dems in the House and Senate, for gods’ sake vote as a bloc.

sandensea

(21,636 posts)
35. He knows that what worked in 1992, just doesn't work in 2020.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:50 PM
Jan 2021

Times change; the party has to change with them.

Biden understands that - yet remains true to timeless Democratic principles such as expanding rights and fairness.

The right blend of tradition and progressivism.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
36. Biden has experience with this sort of thing
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:02 AM
Jan 2021

he was more liberal than Obama on issues like gay marriage and is familiar with how the GOP operates. There's no need to cave in to their demands as long as we have our slim majority in both houses.

The citizenship issue on the census should help us when it comes to redistricting. Many suburban areas have gotten more competitive for us with demographic changes.

democrank

(11,095 posts)
40. Finally, the Democratic Party is undergoing a message rehabilitation.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:56 AM
Jan 2021

President Biden is questioning the morality of ignoring racial and economic injustice.His straightforward demand for change is a lot more powerful than a quiet whisper begging us to not make waves.

March that impeachment paperwork over to the Senate, send Roto Rooter to clean up the Justice Department, give the BLM movement a break and shine a red hot light on The Proud Boys. State that we’re no longer going to let kids starve while we give tax breaks to billionaires.Get the children out of those cages and the insurrectionists out of Congress. There’s nothing “far left” about any of that.

moondust

(19,988 posts)
41. Good.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:05 AM
Jan 2021

In his defense, Joe represented Delaware for a long time. WorldAtlas says: "The financial sector is one of the backbone sectors of the economy of Delaware...Delaware is also America’s credit card capital."

I don't know how much that affected his orientation but I would assume it tended to pull him to the right--possibly farther than he would have preferred. He has so much empathy that he can clearly see that leaning right is not the answer now for him or the country.

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
49. This whole centrist characterization got debunked since he built his Transition Team, anyway.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:58 AM
Jan 2021

I'm glad the media finally got wind of it, and Daily Kos finally summarized the evidence.

We've been telling them Democratic centrist days were over that since the day Bernie's progressive goals got onto half the party platform. Maybe some Democrats who need to call themselves 'centrist' back home ought to rebrand their centrism a bit.

Man, media are slow af.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
51. "Bernie's progressive goals got into half the party platform" -- what do you mean?
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:34 AM
Jan 2021

What only-Bernie goals got into half the party platform?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
50. Sen Casey was on MSNBC or CNN yesterday
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:27 AM
Jan 2021

and said his preference is for Biden to go "fast" and "big and bold".

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
52. Joe Biden is following the platform he ran on.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:20 PM
Jan 2021

There is no ideology involved in saving the economy or protecting the American people from a pandemic. Common sense is all that is required.

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