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Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:11 AM Jan 2021

Trump's pardons may be poorly worded enough to leave some people on the hook

• President Trump's pardons leave some of their subjects open to additional prosecution, experts say.
• His former campaign chair Paul Manafort could still be prosecuted for specific crimes he wasn't pardoned for.
• Even Michael Flynn, who received a wider-ranging pardon, could still have it tested by courts.

Trump pardoned Manafort for his specific convictions. It's much more narrowly tailored than the pardon Trump gave to Flynn, for "any and all offenses arising out of the facts and circumstances" brought by Robert Mueller's office.

It's also narrower than the pardon President Gerald Ford gave to former President Richard Nixon, which covered a broad timeframe.

"It says 'for his conviction' and that's it. It's just for the crimes for which he was convicted," Kimberly Wehle, a University of Baltimore law professor, told Insider. "That is a different wording than Richard Nixon received under his pardon, which is for 'all conceivable crimes.'"

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pardons-give-prosecutors-room-for-more-charges-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com

Is there anywhere where trump is not incompetent?

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Catcar

(1,356 posts)
4. But, Trump writes the best pardons ever! He's a tremendous pardon writer!
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jan 2021

Shakespeare could not craft a better pardon than Trump!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
5. Test ALL of the pardons. They are meaningless until asserted in a court case, which admits guilt
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:02 AM
Jan 2021

If a person is charged and pulls out a pardon, they are admitting guilt to avoid penalties of sentencing.

See the Burdick decision in 1915 by SCotUS.

Pardons are just black marks on white paper until they are actually deployed in court in response to a charge in a case.

A person can be pardoned but not wish to accept guilt and may choose to fight to be declared not guilty.

NotASurfer

(2,150 posts)
6. When the best legal mind advising him is Guiliani...
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:20 AM
Jan 2021

And then he stops paying even Guiliani, this is to be expected. I've thought a lot of pardons would be uselessness as a consequence

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
7. How could this happen in the "First" country of the First World plus announcing to whatever enemies?
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:24 AM
Jan 2021

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
8. This is great news! I hope they all get prosecuted and go to jail where they belong.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:35 AM
Jan 2021

Especially that whack job Flynn.

JT45242

(2,278 posts)
9. Could a doj staffer have actually put country over trump
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:12 AM
Jan 2021

After bill barr resignation, us it possible that whoever was tasked for writing these left the 'death star reactor flaw' in on purpose?

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