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LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:39 AM Jan 2021

I love Chuck Schumer, but he's too nice! I think he should be replaced by Michael Bennett

or by another senator who has the innate ability to go OFF on people. As the saying goes, this is something you are born with; this cannot be taught.

Remember this righteous rant of Michael Bennett's when he went after Ted Cruz's "crocodile tears"?

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Bennett was enraged, but it was a controlled rage, backed up with incontrovertible facts.

Chuck Schumer is a wonderful senator and a good, decent man, but it's like bringing a butter knife to a gunfight when it comes to his facing off with Mitch "The Grim Reaper" McConnell.

(Sorry, Chuck! I do sincerely love you.)
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I love Chuck Schumer, but he's too nice! I think he should be replaced by Michael Bennett (Original Post) LaMouffette Jan 2021 OP
That episode notwithstanding, Bennett is likewise known as a "nice" guy, so I don't quite hlthe2b Jan 2021 #1
Tell that to Al Franken. CentralMass Jan 2021 #2
agreed, that was a righteous rant...nt N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2021 #3
Does he even want the job ? Do you know what Leadership of House and Senate JI7 Jan 2021 #4
The problem Chuck Schumer is going to face, and I suspect some may not understand it, is still_one Jan 2021 #5
Is there Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #6
If there is, I hope someone posts it, and we utilize it. I was thinking perhaps Schumer agree still_one Jan 2021 #10
Wow. Thanks for explaining that holdup over the rules. God, how I hate McConnell. LaMouffette Jan 2021 #8
My sentiments exactly still_one Jan 2021 #11
I also agree with this notion True Dough Jan 2021 #31
Schumer should pull a McConnell: say OK, you win--and then ditch the filibuster anyway. tblue37 Jan 2021 #37
Yep. ancianita Jan 2021 #40
I'm amazed DU permits such passive aggressive hit pieces on our new majority leader. FreepFryer Jan 2021 #7
FreepFryer, I didn't mean it to be a hit piece. This is just my opinion, and I pray God that Schumer LaMouffette Jan 2021 #9
A lot of what you are suggesting may not be under Schumer's control until the rules are settled upon still_one Jan 2021 #13
But Michael Bennett is far more of a nice guy than Schumer is . JI7 Jan 2021 #14
There is little schumer can do. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #15
You didn't establish a rationale or justify your opinion, you just falsely characterized him. (Nt) FreepFryer Jan 2021 #17
Point taken! I will keep this in mind for future posts. LaMouffette Jan 2021 #24
The poster established a rationale, you simply SharonClark Jan 2021 #30
And yet it was. MrsCoffee Jan 2021 #21
It was far from being a hit piece. nt mtnsnake Jan 2021 #22
Apparently, your opinion is not shared by a majority of Democratic caucus onenote Jan 2021 #12
Well that is because some don't understand how the Senate works. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #16
But Schumer would only be replaced by another principled Democrat. Hortensis Jan 2021 #18
Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" jcboon Jan 2021 #19
I couldn't agree more mtnsnake Jan 2021 #20
He can be schooled by Joe and his crew... Maxheader Jan 2021 #23
It's ironic but seated behind Bennett during his speech is.. Billytee Jan 2021 #25
Doug Jones was not going to keep that seat in Alabama jcgoldie Jan 2021 #38
Less than a week in.... MrsCoffee Jan 2021 #26
+1. (Nt) FreepFryer Jan 2021 #35
Agree. Schumer definitely needs some bite with his bark. ananda Jan 2021 #27
Rec'd BeyondGeography Jan 2021 #28
I agree. He's my Senator, and I'll always vote for him. But this is just not the time for Squinch Jan 2021 #29
Michael Bennett doesn't have the seniority Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #32
Durbin is more of a fighter than Schumer. But his sucession is not guaranteed Bucky Jan 2021 #34
True Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #36
He might be like Pelosi, who acts like a sweet grandma right up to the gut punch Bucky Jan 2021 #33
I completely agree. Paladin Jan 2021 #39
To pull a McConnell on the filibuster will make all the difference in the next four years. ancianita Jan 2021 #41

hlthe2b

(102,277 posts)
1. That episode notwithstanding, Bennett is likewise known as a "nice" guy, so I don't quite
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jan 2021

see that as a distinct difference. His having gone after Cruz in that one instance was unusual for him from what I can tell. (saying nothing against Bennett)

JI7

(89,249 posts)
4. Does he even want the job ? Do you know what Leadership of House and Senate
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jan 2021

has to do ? There are many people who would have no interest in that job and that includes recent Presidential Nominees Gore, Kerry, Obama, Clinton , Biden and VP Harris.

And that is just one clip you showed where he responded because of something that personally affected his state . He is usually not like that and that's one of the reasons this got so much attention.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
5. The problem Chuck Schumer is going to face, and I suspect some may not understand it, is
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:55 AM
Jan 2021

because of the 50-50 situation in the Senate, new rules need to be agreed on between McConnell and Schumer before the Democrats can exert their majority agenda. Until that happens the Senate rules are governed by the old rules, which were under republican control.

It is unfortunate that we could not have gained at least one more Senate seat. However, I am thankful that we have at least have what we have.

McConnell is saying he will not agree to any Senate rules unless Schumer says the filibuster will not be taken away. Schumer up to now has indicated he won't budge on that, but in order for the Democrats to control the agenda and move forward, I am not sure what he can do.

I am hoping beyond hope that there might be one republican Senator who goes independent, and caucuses with the Democrats, but that is even more unlikely to happen

At least as far as the stimulus is concerned, we don't need to get rid of the filibuster to make that happen, because we can achieve that through reconciliation








Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
6. Is there
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:58 AM
Jan 2021

any way a vote to change the rules could be brought up before the Senate and have Kamala as tie breaker? I’m not very well educated on Senate procedures.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
10. If there is, I hope someone posts it, and we utilize it. I was thinking perhaps Schumer agree
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jan 2021

to leaving the filibuster in-tack, and then perhaps later going back on his agreement with McConnell after the new rules are solidified, and the need to get rid of the filibuster is needed, but I don't know if that can even be done once the rules have been agreed upon


LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
8. Wow. Thanks for explaining that holdup over the rules. God, how I hate McConnell.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jan 2021

He knows that it's the tendency of Democrats to concede in order to get things moving, which is, I think, admirable, except that we always seem to be the ones giving in. So he's just going to dig in his turtle flippers and wait.

At this point, McTurtle has nothing to lose and everything to gain by not giving in and keeping the filibuster. I wonder if there is any kind of bargaining chip that Schumer could use to sway him.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
31. I also agree with this notion
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jan 2021

Time for the Dems to hold firm. Not give one damn thing more than absolutely to Moscow Mitch.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
7. I'm amazed DU permits such passive aggressive hit pieces on our new majority leader.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jan 2021

The OP offers zero substantiation for the critical frame of “niceness“ lain on Schumer, during our first week in the majority, no less.

I’m no fan of his (I’m a constituent, pissed since he backed Mukasey) - But without a shred of actual substantiation, DU really should be a little less trollable by posts like this.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
9. FreepFryer, I didn't mean it to be a hit piece. This is just my opinion, and I pray God that Schumer
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jan 2021

proves me wrong and prevails against McConnell's tactics.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
13. A lot of what you are suggesting may not be under Schumer's control until the rules are settled upon
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jan 2021

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
16. Well that is because some don't understand how the Senate works.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
Jan 2021

This is why they think with 50 votes...a bare minimum,we can play hardball. I dont know how this gets resolved.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. But Schumer would only be replaced by another principled Democrat.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:18 AM
Jan 2021

I suppose someone else could be a better bloviator, but that person would still fight with the weapons of our democratic republic. Because we are its protectors and must.

Our opponents would still be viciously unprincipled traitors to that republic and thus willing to destroy it because their only goal is winning.

Isn't it worth noting, though, both that we win more often than not and that we're currently winning? Don't want to forget that one!

That's in spite of our greatest weakness: Weak citizens whose understanding and commitment are easily corrupted by mind-fuckers, who don't understand the power of our principles and institutions and are too easily discouraged from voting, or even turned.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
20. I couldn't agree more
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jan 2021

that Chuck should be replaced, and yes, Bennett would be a better choice or someone like Amy Klobuchar. I like Schumer as one of my NYS senators, but as the House majority leader? No.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
23. He can be schooled by Joe and his crew...
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jan 2021

With obama there too...the democrats don't need to take any shit off the senate minority leader.

None-what-so-ever.....

Billytee

(106 posts)
25. It's ironic but seated behind Bennett during his speech is..
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jan 2021

Senator Doug Jones of Alabama who lost his seat in the last election. This is after his repeated request for help from the DNC during his campaign. If his seat were retained, we would have 51 members to their 49 and not have to put up with Moscow Mitch.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
38. Doug Jones was not going to keep that seat in Alabama
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jan 2021

This is absolutely not a criticism of him I think he was a great senator, but you have to allocate resources where they can do the most good and the reality is the only way Jones won in Alabama the first time is his opponent was a child molester.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
26. Less than a week in....
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jan 2021

Under the bus in record time!!!

That would teach ‘ol McConnell a lesson, eh?



You think the Republicans wouldn’t see replacing Schumer as a win for them? Yeah let’s project no confidence in our leaders and really fuck this up. That’s the ticket.

Ffs.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
28. Rec'd
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

Because any OP that highlights the quality of Michael Bennet’s takedowns of Senate Republicans works for me. He’s the best we have in that department.


Squinch

(50,949 posts)
29. I agree. He's my Senator, and I'll always vote for him. But this is just not the time for
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jan 2021

"Gentleman Legislators" who expect their opposition to be the same.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
32. Michael Bennett doesn't have the seniority
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jan 2021

If Schumer were to step down Dick Durbin is nexts in line for leader.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
34. Durbin is more of a fighter than Schumer. But his sucession is not guaranteed
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

He would have to run for that position and he might be challenged for it.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
33. He might be like Pelosi, who acts like a sweet grandma right up to the gut punch
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jan 2021

But Schumer's a creature of the Senate. A leadership doesn't belong to the fiercest fighters. Let Bennett do his thing from his position. Schumer's job is to keep the left side of the aisle unified and parse a few words or slip in the occasional compromise in order to peel off a vote or two from the right side of the aisle.

That's an entirely different skill set than what it takes to throw the toughest punches and seem to "win the argument". Governing is about winning votes, not winning arguments

Paladin

(28,261 posts)
39. I completely agree.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:07 PM
Jan 2021

The last thing we need right now is polite Democratic leadership. As anybody who's been paying attention knows, good manners have been wasted on Republicans for decades, now---they knee-cap us, every fucking time.

Our time to right the wrongs of the trump regime is extremely limited. We need the toughest and most aggressive Democratic leadership possible. We barely managed to salvage our democracy from the rabid mob a few days ago---next time we may not be so lucky. Schumer needs to toughen up, or we need new individuals at the top.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
41. To pull a McConnell on the filibuster will make all the difference in the next four years.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:49 PM
Jan 2021

Deep down, McConnell will respect him for it.

And in case he makes a public fuss, he can be publicly reminded of all the times he went back on his word for the sake of winning, not for the sake of Americans.

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