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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is hard for me to understand how Joe Biden could win Maine by 53% to 44%, while in the
same election Collins won against Sara Gideon by about the same amount.
On the issues Sara Gideon is almost 100% aligned with Biden.
I wonder why there is such a disparity, and what the people of Maine were thinking to vote for Biden overwhelmingly, but not for Gideon
Turin_C3PO
(13,998 posts)always vote for long time incumbent Senators. It doesnt make sense but it happens a lot.
still_one
(92,206 posts)stamped everything trump has done, and if nothing else, wasn't this election a referendum on trump?
Turin_C3PO
(13,998 posts)Im not sure what the thinking was in the Biden/Collins voters minds.
Botany
(70,510 posts)BTW how did McConnell with a 13% approval rating win in KY and how did
Trump pick up 11 million votes from 2016?
They don't use machines in Maine.
If we brush off races like this with "oh, it's just the machines", we will continue to lose them.
Besides, if they were going to change votes for Collins, why not Trump? It's the reverse of Trump's argument -- Dems hacked the race at the top, but let the Republicans win down-ticket races. Sure, that makes a lot of sense.
"BTW how did McConnell with a 13% approval rating win in KY"
Because replacing one of the most powerful people in government with someone who would start at the bottom would be stupid, even if everyone hates him, from a political standpoint. He's also a Republican. In many states, that's all that's required.
South Dakota made that mistake and they've been paying for it for 15 years. They replaced Daschle, one of the five most powerful people in Congress and someone who did more for the state than anyone, with John Thune, who hasn't done anything since.
"how did Trump pick up 11 million votes from 2016"
More people voted and he got a similar percentage. It's not complicated.
jpak
(41,758 posts)All paper scanned ballots.
Turin_C3PO
(13,998 posts)Its a conspiracy theory. Why would they switch votes to Collins but not Trump? As for McConnell, though they may hate him, he has two big advantages. 1) Hes an incumbent that brings pork to his state and 2) hes not a Democrat, which is all it takes sometimes to win in deep red states.
still_one
(92,206 posts)apnu
(8,756 posts)He needs only win the popular vote in KY. As an incumbent he has powerful advantages. Kentucky, as a whole, is deep red, so that's another powerful advantage he has. And finally, there is the single issue voter problem. So long as McConnell stays on the positive side of the handful of single issues for KY Republicans (God, Guns, Gays), they will elect him even after his own death.
Botany
(70,510 posts)... own best interests time after time. The 13% approval rating I heard last fall was
on how did the people think of the job he was doing in the Senate.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They have lots of interests beyond basic economic ones. Voting for these people advances many of them.
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hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)Collins was hurt with the Kavanaugh thing but then she started campainging on how she opposed ACB and that along with some some other issue helped her to win.
This is a race we could have won and should have focused on more compared to South Carolina and Kentucky which don't currently have demographics favorable to Democrats.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)We were never going to win KY. SC was a long shot. If we had focused on Maine, it might have made the difference. It's hard to say.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Money
By far the most widely recognized and probably the most significant advantage enjoyed by sitting members of Congress is the large amounts of campaign contributions they are able to raise, especially in comparison to those who run against them. The table below summarizes the average campaign resources available to various groups of candidates in House and Senate races in 1998:
U.S. House U.S. Senate
Incumbents $772,016 $5,578,470
Challengers $207,107 $2,442,660
Open-Seat Candidates $607,703 $2,336,939
SOURCE: Common Cause. House & Senate Races: Incumbents, Challengers, Open Seats.
still_one
(92,206 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)In 2004, I was SURE that America was smart enough to NOT re-elect a war criminal AND the man who had single-handedly allowed 9-11, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. He was put back into office with even more of a mandate than in 2000.
The American voting population can be extremely confusing. (being kind)
still_one
(92,206 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)And lots homie "I am a real Mainer" ads.
Gideon did not respond effectively.
PS I donated and voted for Gideon.
still_one
(92,206 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)And many many more feel good Collins ads than I saw for Gideon.
I really thought- based on polling - that Gideon would win.
I have a gut feeling that the old."I am a real born and raised Mainer (Collins) and you are not (Gideon)" argument swayed a lot voters in the privacy of voting.
still_one
(92,206 posts)assumed Gideon would win I suspect also were not from Maine
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wishstar
(5,269 posts)She trailed in polls but she won support of those on fence by seeming to be bipartisan saying she couldn't vote to confirm Barrett so close to election as that would be unfair when Repubs had given that as reason to block Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland.
Bluepinky
(2,272 posts)He worked it out ahead of time to allow her to appear bipartisan and independent, while still getting enough votes from other Republicans for Amy Barretts confirmation.
Susan Collins is a Republican stooge.
sop
(10,190 posts)I recall one local election in Miami where the less popular Democratic challenger won because he had the same last name as the favored longtime Republican incumbent.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)not party down ballot. And as others mentioned, her seniority gives a small state a seat at the table. I voted that way once myself for Olympia Snowe many moons ago. And lastly, Maine is big on checks and balances.
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still_one
(92,206 posts)using Kanye as the example, to instead use a George Wallace type
Of course both examples of Kanye or a george wallace are extreme and unlikely for a Democratic nominee in today's world.
However, Maine in presidential elections has been consistently Democratic, and as you point out also consistently for incumbents within their state
apnu
(8,756 posts)Much of New England has fierce independent streaks. Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire -- all have their own unique politics that doesn't fit well in the two party system we have. Collins and Sanders are, in many ways sides of the same coin. Maine is weirdly conservative, but not in the lockstep, beholden to the good-old-boy South, or South wannabes in the West, way. They have their own brand of it and demand their representatives to buck the system.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I tnink ranked choice played a roll too.
still_one
(92,206 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)They voted against Trump but went home on down ballot races.