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still_one

(92,190 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Jan 2021

Bernie Sanders is on CNN now with Dana Bash regarding reconciliation as a means to get the

financial relief package passed if republicans refuse to compromise.

Bash is presenting the inconsistency when Bernie was against reconciliation when the republicans did it, but has no problem doing it now should the republicans refuse to compromise.

His rebuttal is that the republicans used reconciliation back then to give tax breaks and other benefits to those who didn't need, while the case now is that with millions unemployed, unable to meet rent or mortgage obligations, feed their families, etc. is an emergency situation that cannot wait, and he has no problem if the republicans wish to criticize him for his inconsistency on reconciliation because the situation is not comparable. We are in crisis. That was not the case when the republicans exercised it.


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Bernie Sanders is on CNN now with Dana Bash regarding reconciliation as a means to get the (Original Post) still_one Jan 2021 OP
Exellent point by Senator Sanders. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #1
I agree. I paraphrased it the best I could still_one Jan 2021 #2
He's absolutely right! ananda Jan 2021 #3
Democratic principle- the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #4
Democratic principle- the needs of the many outweigh the WANTS of the few. alfredo Jan 2021 #7
True. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #9
Might piss off some people at DU truth is Bernie's populist appeal can be mucifer Jan 2021 #5
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #6
It would be really stupid of the democrats to discount Bernie's popularity BComplex Jan 2021 #8
Probably not. plimsoll Jan 2021 #11
Exactly. It seems like some want to create unnecessary arguments between Democrats about still_one Jan 2021 #14
Wolves (d). Whatever it takes Feed & House ppl NOW or lose 2022 OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #18
Good for Bernie! Bigredhunk Jan 2021 #10
Bash didn't do anything wrong during the interview, and I think Sanders appreciated the question still_one Jan 2021 #12
For all my criticisms of Sen Sanders.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #13
You are correct NHvet Jan 2021 #15
So, is he not for getting rid of the filibuster then? W_HAMILTON Jan 2021 #16
No, but the argument would still apply. This is an emergency situation, and people's lives still_one Jan 2021 #19
But we won't be passing a bill through reconciliation until the rules are set anyway. W_HAMILTON Jan 2021 #21
Everything you said is accurate still_one Jan 2021 #23
What Bernie Sanders said, only carve it in stone. marble falls Jan 2021 #17
I only oppose reconciliation because I don't think there should be a filibuster at all dsc Jan 2021 #20
Agreed grantcart Jan 2021 #22
If the republicans refuse to work with the Democrats on this rescue package, because of the life and still_one Jan 2021 #26
The filibuster was never legitimate in my eyes dsc Jan 2021 #27
I personally agree. The filibuster was used extensively with anti-civil-rights efforts in the still_one Jan 2021 #29
One thing about Senator Bernie Sanders.. mountain grammy Jan 2021 #24
David Sirota, Briahna Joy Gray, and Nina Turner? still_one Jan 2021 #25
🙄 mountain grammy Jan 2021 #30
I think it is self-explanatory, and a reflection of judgment still_one Jan 2021 #31
I agree with you mvd Jan 2021 #28
I don't know the definition of "reconciliation" under consideration, and who is defining it. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #32
Budget reconciliation JudyM Jan 2021 #33

ananda

(28,860 posts)
3. He's absolutely right!
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jan 2021

Reeps wanted to use it to help their rich donors and cronies.

Dems want to use it to help people who really need it.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,427 posts)
4. Democratic principle- the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jan 2021

Opposite the RePutinicans core belief.

mucifer

(23,545 posts)
5. Might piss off some people at DU truth is Bernie's populist appeal can be
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jan 2021

very helpful. There were some weird white guys who in 2016 liked trump and Bernie but not Hillary.

Now is the time to use this to our advantage!

BComplex

(8,051 posts)
8. It would be really stupid of the democrats to discount Bernie's popularity
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jan 2021

with millions and millions of Americans.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
11. Probably not.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jan 2021

Senator Sanders can be difficult, but that is hardly unusual. Most Readers here probably won’t object to anybody trying to resolve this crisis, but plenty would object to saying this is the only way it can be resolved or that only X politician can do it.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
14. Exactly. It seems like some want to create unnecessary arguments between Democrats about
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:50 PM
Jan 2021

something 99% of us agree on


Bigredhunk

(1,349 posts)
10. Good for Bernie!
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jan 2021

GD she can be annoying. It was only weeks ago that she was still trying to do a praising of drumpf's "tone" thing again.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
12. Bash didn't do anything wrong during the interview, and I think Sanders appreciated the question
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jan 2021

She brought up the “mitten” craze, and he loved it

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
13. For all my criticisms of Sen Sanders....
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

... and they are many.... he is the exact voice we need on this issue right now. And it underlines why he belongs in the Senate and not in the cabinet.

NHvet

(240 posts)
15. You are correct
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jan 2021

He best serves all of us being a Senator. He has great ideas and always has been for the common man, but he is too polarizing to the other side to be able to get to the big stage.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
19. No, but the argument would still apply. This is an emergency situation, and people's lives
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jan 2021

are literally at risk. However, because of the 50-50 situation in the Senate, new rules need to be agreed on between McConnell and Schumer before the Democrats can exert their majority agenda. Until that happens the Senate rules are governed by the old rules, which were under republican control.

It is unfortunate that we could not have gained at least one more Senate seat. However, I am thankful that we have at least have what we have.

McConnell is saying he will not agree to any Senate rules unless Schumer says the filibuster will not be taken away. Schumer up to now has indicated he won't budge on that, but in order for the Democrats to control the agenda and move forward, I am not sure what he can do.

I am hoping beyond hope that there might be one republican Senator who goes independent, and caucuses with the Democrats, but that is even more unlikely to happen

At least as far as the stimulus is concerned, we don't need to get rid of the filibuster to make that happen, because we can achieve that through reconciliation, and in either case whether we are talking about getting rid of the filibuster or reconciliation to get the aid package through, the emergency situation we are in justify it


W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
21. But we won't be passing a bill through reconciliation until the rules are set anyway.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jan 2021

And it is believed we won't be able to pass everything in Biden's proposed COVID relief bill through reconciliation, so, we will be leaving some items off the table. Sanders has said in the past that he isn't necessarily in favor of getting rid of the filibuster, so if that is still his stance today, I would like to be aware of it so that we Democrats can start lobbying him just like we are Manchin, Sinema, etc.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
20. I only oppose reconciliation because I don't think there should be a filibuster at all
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jan 2021

not have exceptions for things that in the main tend to favor GOP priorities. Yes, in this case we are doing things that favor our priorities so yeah for that, but there are massive things that need done that can't be done in reconciliation.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
26. If the republicans refuse to work with the Democrats on this rescue package, because of the life and
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:15 PM
Jan 2021

death issues this involves, I believe justify the use of reconciliation. As you said reconciliation isn’t applicable for most things, but in this pandemic emergency I think it definitely justifies it.

This is not because of a “Democratic” or “Republican” priority, but an American people issue because of the pandemic

The reason I favor abolishing the filibuster is because I think it is not only misused, but because it goes against the idea that an issue with the most votes doesn’t necessarily win

I understand the justification for it is because it gives the minority a voice, but unless it is reformed, it is too easily misused

The reason Reed removed it is because McConnell was misusing it to prevent President Obama from getting anything through





dsc

(52,162 posts)
27. The filibuster was never legitimate in my eyes
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:42 PM
Jan 2021

for anything other than Court appointments and the GOP abuse of it rendered that purpose illigitimate too.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
29. I personally agree. The filibuster was used extensively with anti-civil-rights efforts in the
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jan 2021

south which allow southern senators to utilize it to block Civil Rights bills

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
32. I don't know the definition of "reconciliation" under consideration, and who is defining it.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:50 PM
Jan 2021

Have I missed some major discussions and am without some important information?

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