Before you slam Dr Deb Birx, please watch today's interview

[AllyCat]

with Margaret Brennan on FTN. I have new respect and feel she was put in a place to appear she supported the idiot when she did not. Also feel her professional opinions and guidance were ignored (IMO: because she is female)

[BGBD]

1. She could has resigned

Instead of standing up there and defend Trump, which she did many times.

[AllyCat]

29. She could have. She admitted in the interview she should have spoken out.

I’m not excusing that nor does she seem to be. But she was blamed ( including by me) for sitting by approving what he said. He was talking to someone else. She was not given the microphone to speak out. She would have had to do that by a letter, social media, or quit.

She still felt she could make a difference for Americans. But she had no voice in his WH and she and her assistant were the only 2 to even wear masks. No one listened to her.

[BGBD]

32. That thinking just doesn't make sense

How could she think she could make a difference when she was excluded?

[AllyCat]

48. She said she focused on talking to the governors.

[BGBD]

51. I don't buy it

And governor interested in listening to her she could have spoken to outside of the Administration. Why would they talk to her and tell her things when she was excluded?

[Bmoboy]

49. after a career of putting up with

I can imagine the years of meetings she attended where she was talked over, ignored, or had her ideas appropriated by men.

I can imagine her trudging on, working extra hard, continuing to do the science, continuing to contribute to the cause.

All of this so that someday in some way she could make a difference.

I imagine she did make some differences along the way.

Until the pandemic she had a very good reputation.

Unfortunately, when the moment arrived for her to make a big difference, her years of compliance and going along to get along prevented her from doing so.

And 400,000 Americans died.

Another example of American exceptionalism.

[Phentex]

53. Exactly. She didn't have to accept the position in the first place...

You don't have to be a scientist to understand that working with (for) a celebrity game show host is not going to be your best career move.

[scarletwoman]

2. I watched about half of it, then decided it wasn't worth it.

Sorry, all I got out of the interview was her making one excuse after another for going along to get along.

If she'd had any integrity, she would have resigned and then done TV interviews all over the place to explain why - let the public know what was going on in real time instead of months after the fact.

I'm not about to shed any tears for Dr. Birx.

[exboyfil]

3. She didn't have to do the CBN interview

[SharonAnn]

43. It was an excellent interview and I learned a lot I didn't know before.

Also, anyone who thinks you can stand up in a presidential press conference, push the POTUS out of the way, grab the microphone, and yell “He’s full of sh##!”, doesn’t have a clue.

[still_one]

4. I definitely give her some flexibility on this, and realize she was between a rock and a hard place

Many are upset because they believe she unnecessarily complimented trump on medical issues, when she should have said nothing on that.

No doubt she thought she could get more accomplished by this approach, by that was giving trump too much the benefit of the doubt

[scarletwoman]

5. She was only "between a rock and a hard place" because she didn't have the integrity to resign and

speak out.

She accomplished nothing except contribute to trump's obfuscation of the facts - oh, and preserve her employment.

[still_one]

11. I doubt preserving her employment was a concern of hers. I think she thought she could

be more helpful to the country being included in the conversation with trump. It was obviously a gross miscalculation, and she should have followed the example of Fauci, who incidentally was criticized by some here also, for not coming out more strongly against trump.

It’s history now, and the Biden administration decided on his task force team of which she is not part

Still I think it is a positive thing that she comes out even now to express just how bad trump and his administration were in the handling of the pandemic, which of course includes her

[DeminPennswoods]

12. Agree with this assessement

It's an individual decision whether to leave or stay and work for good from within. Birx was good enough and well-respected enough to work in the Obama administration, which people seem to forget. She was a holdover when Trump took office.

I suspect America is better off at this time because people like Fauci and Birx decided to stay rather resign.

[still_one]

14. I suspect a good number of people are unaware of her position in the Obama administration.

[scarletwoman]

13. She's trying to salvage her reputation, is all.

I stand by my original assessment.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

16. I agree with you

People are dead because of her. First and foremost, her allegiance is to her Hippocratic Oath. Secondly, she let her American allegiance down.

[still_one]

20. No, people are not dead because of her. That is a completely off the wall unfair assessment

With that logic I guess you would blame most of the physicians at the NIH and CDC also responsible for the SARS co V2 deaths, and that would include Dr. Fauci also

A ridiculous extrapolation

[BeerBarrelPolka]

40. Nope

It's definitely not ridiculous. She knew exactly what Trump was spewing and refused to counter him. She stood by in silence knowing full well people were listening to Trump's non medical advice.

I 100% stand by my assertion that she caused deaths.

And yes, Fauci messed up along the way as well. But, he made efforts to either clarify or change his position. She did not until the bitter end.

[still_one]

17. She doesn't have to worry about her reputation. Her work with HIV/AIDS, along with her

Research in immunology and her publications are well established

[SharonAnn]

45. She did a lot of work with state governors.

[Thekaspervote]

6. Nope...she stood there on Ntl news and said how impressed she was with dotard, that he

Studied the science and listened to the experts...NO!! As a medical professional myself...no...People’s lives were at stake and she did that. I hope she has a hard time living with what she did.

[bamagal62]

7. She either praised him or stayed silent.

And, in the end they stopped letting her speak anyway. She should have resigned. She looked like a fool.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. She's trying to rewrite history

to salvage her reputation.

[uponit7771]

52. +1, they all are

[Politicub]

9. Saw the interview. Became more infuriated with her because she

went along with the conflicting streams of information. She didn’t blow the whistle or level with the American people about what was happening behind the scenes.

She’s trying to cast herself as a hero or martyr, but, imho, she is neither. I think she made things worth by trying to keep up appearances and paper over the ineptness of the Trump virus response. The effect was more death and suffering.

[EndlessWire]

23. That little girl under arrest in Fla

has more integrity.

There might be a spot for her. But, it won't be primo. I didn't see anything but fealty to Trump, and neither did anyone else. But, if she could be of use somewhere, she *is* a doc, and we need to fight like hell. Give her a second chance to reflect on herself, and place her at say, FEMA on the line. Not in charge, not in front of a camera. Part of an advisory panel or something. Let her work her way back.

[SharonClark]

38. Little girl under arrest in FL?

I missed that and couldn't find it after googling. What's the story about FL arresting children?

[EndlessWire]

41. Everyone is a little girl to me

because I'm...*oldish*...

I can't remember her name, but she's the whistleblower that was working the covid dashboard (?) and revealed the true stats. The Governor had her arrested. She's really a grown woman with children, the one who got raided with guns pointed at her.

[jcgoldie]

10. excuse after excuse

I did not have the same reaction to that interview. It was all about her and how unfair it was. I'm not saying she wasn't in an untenable position, but Fauci maintained professionalism and now he's out spreading information and educating about the virus as they should have been allowed to do a year ago. Meanwhile Birx became a Trump apologist and now she's using her time trying to cleanse the stain from her reputation.

[Hoyt]

15. Definitely think she could have stood up and said, "Mr. P, you are full of crud."

But, I never got the feeling she supported trump. She always looked shocked when trump was spewing BS, the look she gave him after suggesting injecting bleach is a good example. I suspect she tried hard in closed meetings, but the trumpsters weren't listening.

Even Fauci said masks weren't necessary early on. They were in a tough position.

[rickford66]

21. He didn't say masks were unneccessary

Because there was a shortage, he wanted the masks to go to medical professionals first. Even now my son's GF who works in a local ER has to reuse a mask during the day. Early in last year she used the same one all week.

[Hoyt]

28. He most certainly did early on -- 60 Minutes, March 8. "There's no reason to be walking around with

Dr Fauci said “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

He changed his tune later, of course. Even if he was doing it because masks weren't available (which I believed at the time), it was untrue. Besides, people could have made home masks if given instructions, and masks could have been diverted to healthcare workers.

While I have no real issue with the government "hiding" some things from us in certain circumstances, they ought to admit it when conditions are right.

[sarcasmo]

18. Reputation damage control.

[AllyCat]

30. Maybe

[malaise]

19. The day she sat there and allowed him to spew bullshit about Lysol and bleach was the

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day I lost interest in anything she said again. No one would get away with chatting that BS in my presence. I would have warned Americans not to inject any of those liquids and gladly allow him to fire me. Sorry. Then she told everyone to wear masks, social distance and not travel - and headed to visit her family.

She can scarf off.

[AllyCat]

31. She said he wasn't talking to her. There was another person to her right off screen

That is who he was talking to. But it looked like he was talking to her and she was somehow agreeing.

[malaise]

34. She was there

She should have either interrupted him or gone on camera after - how many people died because of that bullshit?

[AllyCat]

46. In the interview, she says she said "that's not a treatment"

but I imagine she had no microphone. I am not saying she shouldn’t shouldn’t have done something different.

[Maru Kitteh]

54. Who CARES who he was talking to? He was speaking to the American public,

and she just sat there like a lungfish while he told people to inject potentially fatal substances into their bloodstreams and shove UV lights up their ass.

That was her decision, and now THAT is her legacy.

[durablend]

22. Poor snowflake.

Maybe she should've said something instead of sitting there deciding what scarf to wear tomorrow.

[Demonaut]

36. the scarfs were fun! I didn't care about the updates from the task force..I waited with bated breath

for the scarf of the day!!

[helpisontheway]

24. She stood behind him and nodded her head yes as she spouted nonsense

She was Trump’s personal bobblehead. I have zero respect for her after she sat there and allowed that idiot suggested that injecting bleach might help Covid. Zero. She should have stepped up. Instead she was concerned about her job. I remember how she went on tv to make excuses for Trump after he made those comments. Fauci tried to walk a fine line too but I bet he would not have sat there and excused Trump’s suggestion that injecting bleach might be a good solution.

[soothsayer]

25. Evangelicals gonna evangelicate

Or something.

She failed to see how dangerous he was.

[TeamPooka]

26. Birx is not Fauci. Fauci fought the pressure that was applied. Birx caved under it and went along

[Ferrets are Cool]

27. No slack at all.

She did not have a gun to her head. She did not have to take this job. She did not have to KEEP the job. It's not like she was in the military.

Nope, no slack at all. People died.

[brooklynite]

33. IOW - she had the courage to speak up AFTER she left...

[sfstaxprep]

35. There Had Been Reports That She Supported & Encouraged Herd Immunity

I'm not sure if this was addressed, or it's accuracy, but I recall hearing that she was not only on board with the concept, but she also was involved in suggesting it.

[Arazi]

37. She's on a rehabilitation tour. Not happening. Did you forget this nugget?

Amongst hundreds of other sycophantic occasions from Dr Birx?

Link to tweet

?s=19

[SharonClark]

39. That's damning.

[AllyCat]

47. I did. So probably rehab. for her career.

[gulliver]

42. It just confirmed my opinion.

She was weak at best. Her weakness and willingness to allow herself to be a mask of reasonableness on a corrupt, rotten policy resulted in the deaths of a lot of people. She gave Trump leverage through her weakness. He used her.

[liberal_mama]

44. She actually praised Trump for being attentive to scientific data while he spewed his bullshit

She gaslighted Americans for Trump's political benefit. When it became clear she wasn't going to be allowed to speak the truth, she should have resigned and made a truthful statement. Instead, she gave credibility to Trump's nonsense and people died because of it.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. That Was It For Me, Too!

She fawned about how brilliant he was & how tuned in.
Those two things are so obviously untrue that it was clear sycophancy.
I never cared one bit about her opinion, after that.

[Iggo]

55. Nope. Not watching The "Here's Why I Was A Lying Asshole" World Tour.

"[Trump is] so attentive to the scientific literature & the details & the data. I think his ability to analyze & integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit...” -- Dr. Birx

[SidDithers]

56. Nah...nt

Sid