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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeth Abramson: "Media: please *stop* pretending the constitutionality of a post-presidency
impeachment trial is a "live" issue. "
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)RussellCattle
(1,535 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)ShazzieB
(16,406 posts)I think it's under the "subscribe" button. It doesnt jump out at you, but it's there,
Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)holding the trial later is just process. While the "primary" purpose of impeachment is removal, an additional purpose is to preclude his running for federal office again. Repubs know they're spouting bullshit, but it's what they're used to and pretty good at. They're just wrong this time.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,347 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,592 posts)groundloop
(11,519 posts)I'm positive Benedict Donald will drag this question all the way to the Supreme Court in an effort to hold onto his taxpayer funded perks.
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)House has sole authority to Impeach elected officials.
Senate has sole authority to try impeached officials.
Supreme Court not an option.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)... does not mean that the something is not, in fact, already a settled matter.
In other words: where there is smoke there is not always a fire. Sometimes the smoke is just being blown out someone's ass.
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Harker
(14,019 posts)It's a fun thought.
NotASurfer
(2,150 posts)John Quincy Adams - who would have learned from one of the actual Founding Fathers what they intended with their newfangled Constitution - said during debate in the House, where he served after his Presidency:
I hold myself, so long as I have the breath of life in my body, amenable to impeachment by this House for everything I did during the time I held any public office.
Clear statement that Impeachment was applicable for the rest of your life once you were elected, and broadly construed to include anything he did while President and in the House as a member of Congress.
onenote
(42,704 posts)For the record, I think it is constitutional. But Abramson (as he often does) overstates things. First, notwithstanding his use of the plural "trials," to the best of my knowledge the Senate has conducted an impeachment trial of a former official only once:Secretary Belknap. Second, and more importantly, the fact that the Senate conducted that trial doesn't mean the issue of whether it is constitutional for an impeached official to be tried by the Senate after that official has left office isn't a "live" issue. A majority of the Senate voted against a motion that sought dismissal of the Belknap trial because had resigned. But that decision by the Senate didn't resolve the Constitutional issue. As Chief Justice Marshall declared "It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is." Or, as it sometimes is put: The Constitution means what the Supreme Court says it means." The Senate may have its view of the Constitutionality of the actions it takes -- indeed, the Senate presumably thinks any and every law that it passes is Constitutional. But we know that isn't always the case -- that the legislative branch's view of the Constitutionality of its actions isn't determinative of the issue. Only the Supreme Court's view is determinative (and only up until the time a subsequent court adopts a different interpretation or the Constitution is amended).
So the issue is still "live" since it's never been addressed by the Supreme Court. However, it also doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. Why? Because just as in the Belknap case, there is nothing to stop those members of the Senate who think that the Constitution doesn't permit an impeached official to be tried after leaving office from voting to acquit on those grounds, even if a majority disagrees. So if 48 republican senators vote to dismiss but that motion is defeated, they can still vote to acquit on those same grounds and there is nothing that can be done about it. The Supreme Court doesn't review impeachments and senators don't have to explain their votes to acquit or convict.
So in the end, republicans will try to justify their votes to acquit based on their contention that the trial isn't permitted by the Constitution. And while they can be pilloried for taking that position, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)That synopsis matches my understanding.
-Laelth
scipan
(2,351 posts)the person convicted holds no office. Then the Senate decides to hold a vote on whether that person should be denied the right to ever hold office again.
It seems that if someone could stop that 2nd vote by resigning, then running for office again and being elected, it's not right. That can't be what the founders intended.