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There has been speculation that Cruz and Hawley---perhaps other senators---may be called as (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2021 OP
I don't know whether I could tolerate watching greasy slimeball Ted Cruz TexasTowelie Jan 2021 #1
HA! VA_Jill Jan 2021 #11
All of congress is witness to what happened. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #2
Because, terminology notwithstanding, it's not a judicial trial unblock Jan 2021 #3
Thank you. nt Atticus Jan 2021 #7
However, presiding judge, prob CJ Roberts, would be the one to rule. Perhaps it would then go SCotUS Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #17
Roberts could be replaced with a bobble-head doll and nobody would notice. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #22
I think the working theory is that the chief justices doesn't have the final say over anything unblock Jan 2021 #25
I guess we'll just have to rely on his sense of honor to excuse himself from the trial. RussellCattle Jan 2021 #4
"Honor" and "Republican" are antonyms. n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2021 #12
Very dry, very droll. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #14
Thank you. I do try. RussellCattle Jan 2021 #24
An impeachment trial isn't a legal trial; it's a political one. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #5
Thanks. In one sense, they all are victims of the insurrection spooky3 Jan 2021 #6
Except some who may have colluded with the rioters and hit squads. They're not victims Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #18
But they're biased too. My point is that it makes no sense to spooky3 Jan 2021 #19
And so they're really not biased, they're hostile witnesses and will be interrogated as such. ancianita Jan 2021 #21
Contrition after a fact does not erase the fact. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #26
Absolutely not. But if I were Schumer I'd take their contrition vote, then deal with them later. ancianita Jan 2021 #27
Thanks. nt Atticus Jan 2021 #8
IIRC, Graham was photographed with Joe Biggs (seditionist) at the Trump hotel the night prior RockRaven Jan 2021 #9
Judicial trial rules don't apply. Unless they have a reason, I am not sure that's a good idea Raven123 Jan 2021 #10
Rule 18 if a Senator is called as a witness he shall be sworn. Interesting to hear put them under Pepsidog Jan 2021 #13
If one or more of them bursts into flames, we'll know they wouldn't have been a great witness. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #15
Really! I recall that saying, "liar, liar, pants on fire!"... SWBTATTReg Jan 2021 #20
Cruz was captain of the debate team. Let's see what BS he comes up with. n/t Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #16
They should be on trial as co-conspirators...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #23
This is actually going to be fascinating to watch DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #28

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
1. I don't know whether I could tolerate watching greasy slimeball Ted Cruz
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
Jan 2021

sweat bullets while being interrogated. However, he should have to testify for over 11 hours to show that he can keep up Hillary.

unblock

(52,241 posts)
3. Because, terminology notwithstanding, it's not a judicial trial
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 05:52 PM
Jan 2021

The voters are not meant to be impartial or unfamiliar with the impeached official or their conduct.

It's more like a jobs review panel, which similarly might include people who know the employee or the incident which brought them to that point.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
17. However, presiding judge, prob CJ Roberts, would be the one to rule. Perhaps it would then go SCotUS
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:34 PM
Jan 2021

... if tRump wants to dominate headlines and tie it up in knots of litigation, per his usual style.

Or Roberts might say "The Senate can set the rule, by simple majority".

unblock

(52,241 posts)
25. I think the working theory is that the chief justices doesn't have the final say over anything
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 02:03 AM
Jan 2021

when it comes to impeachment trials. The senate can basically have a vote at any point to overrule him or to require the trial proceed in a different manner.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
5. An impeachment trial isn't a legal trial; it's a political one.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 05:53 PM
Jan 2021

The rules for court trials don't apply, and there's nothing in the Senate's rules that would prohibit this. However, it would appear that objections could be made and submitted to the Presiding Officer. Here are the rules: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/3_1986SenatesImpeachmentRules.pdf

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
6. Thanks. In one sense, they all are victims of the insurrection
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 05:56 PM
Jan 2021

so none can be “unbiased.” I think it will be interesting to see what GQPers do on record.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
18. Except some who may have colluded with the rioters and hit squads. They're not victims
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:36 PM
Jan 2021

The colluders and enablers and cheerleaders are definitely biased.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
19. But they're biased too. My point is that it makes no sense to
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:39 PM
Jan 2021

exclude people who are allegedly “biased” in this situation, because all of them are directly involved (compared to jurors). Of course if anyone is charged as a perpetrator, I hope the Dems take steps to exclude them.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
21. And so they're really not biased, they're hostile witnesses and will be interrogated as such.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jan 2021

As they help build the House case, they might see that a vote to convict might on some level exonerate them as accomplices.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
27. Absolutely not. But if I were Schumer I'd take their contrition vote, then deal with them later.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:04 AM
Jan 2021

Wring every bit of compensation out of them first.

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
9. IIRC, Graham was photographed with Joe Biggs (seditionist) at the Trump hotel the night prior
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:02 PM
Jan 2021

So he should be called as a witness too.

As for "how can they..." the Senate makes its own rules, so unless the Senate forbids it, they will do it without consideration of anyone else's thoughts or standards.

Raven123

(4,844 posts)
10. Judicial trial rules don't apply. Unless they have a reason, I am not sure that's a good idea
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:07 PM
Jan 2021

Just roll the tape if you need their testimony. Speaks for itself. Or are you referring to a defense strategy?

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
13. Rule 18 if a Senator is called as a witness he shall be sworn. Interesting to hear put them under
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:25 PM
Jan 2021

oath. Referring to rules for impeachment link in #5.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
20. Really! I recall that saying, "liar, liar, pants on fire!"...
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jan 2021

They are going to have a lot of little fires going on I suspect in the Congressional Chambers if they're not too careful...

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
28. This is actually going to be fascinating to watch
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jan 2021

While it's not a trial in the usual sense, witness testimony will be under oath. And this time there won't be McConnell blocking the truth from coming out.

I want to hear what Barr, Cippilone, Hawley, Cruz, Biggs, Gosar, Clark, Scott Perry and the rest have to say about their roles.

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