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Towlie

(5,325 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:12 PM Jan 2021

Marco Rubio said the trial is "stupid" but keep in mind that he did NOT say if or how he would vote.

... and that could be very important.

Senator Rubio could do one of three things: Show up and vote to convict, show up and vote to exonerate, or simply not show up at all. His vote to either convict or exonerate could be politically beneficial or damaging, but he might reason that simply not showing up would be the best of the three choices. In fact, that might be exactly what he had planned when he called the trial "stupid".

When a vote is decided by a simple majority the mathematics are pretty simple, but when it's decided by a 2/3 majority it gets a little more complicated.

Let's assume as an example that all 50 Democratic Party-aligned senators will show up and vote to convict Trump. Achievement of a 2/3 vote for conviction will then depend upon the Republican votes.

Let's also assume for this example that 49 Republican senators other than Rubio will show up and 16 of them will vote for conviction. The result will then depend upon Rubio.

If Rubio votes to exonerate then he'll establish himself as someone who believes inciting a massive, deadly, destructive, riot and invasion of our nation's capital, and an attempted insurrection, (and all of the other things that Jamie Raskin is reciting right now) are all okay.

And Trump will win. (66/100 < 2/3.)

If Rubio votes to convict then he'll establish himself as someone who has betrayed Trump, Trump's supporters, and the Republican Party.

And Trump will lose. (67/100 > 2/3.)

If Rubio chooses to not show up then he'll establish himself as someone who believes the trial is "stupid" and therefore chooses to boycott it. Since he has already made it clear that he believes the trial is stupid, the choice to boycott would hardly be considered unusual or unexpected.

But Trump will still lose. (66/99 = 2/3.)

Therefore, perhaps we should welcome Rubio's complaint that the trial is "stupid", and hope that he not only decides to boycott it but also encourages other Republican senators to do the same.

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Marco Rubio said the trial is "stupid" but keep in mind that he did NOT say if or how he would vote. (Original Post) Towlie Jan 2021 OP
It should be obvious how he's going to vote. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #1
I don't think conviction is the main goal KayF Jan 2021 #2
Stupid? If Rubio Bev54 Jan 2021 #3
He said he would stop the trial the first chance he got Walleye Jan 2021 #4
I predict... Mike Nelson Jan 2021 #5
Rubio's got Tom Cotton-mouth Blue Owl Jan 2021 #6
And by the way Marco, Ivanka is running for your seat MiniMe Jan 2021 #7
No matter how he votes, Ivanka and Big Daddy are coming for him in 2022. sop Jan 2021 #8
Yup MiniMe Jan 2021 #9
Welll... Deuxcents Jan 2021 #10

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
1. It should be obvious how he's going to vote.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:14 PM
Jan 2021

He just told you how he's going to vote.

The argument that they're not going to show up has no validity. I'm not sure why it's managed to gain some traction around here, but it's nonsense.

Especially someone like Rubio. He can't grandstand about how unfair this is to Trump if he stays away.

KayF

(1,345 posts)
2. I don't think conviction is the main goal
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jan 2021

I'm assuming he won't get convicted.

I think the goal is dividing and damaging the GOP, lessening their power to obstruct Biden.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
4. He said he would stop the trial the first chance he got
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:26 PM
Jan 2021

Are they going to try to get it dismissed with a simple motion?

Mike Nelson

(9,960 posts)
5. I predict...
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:27 PM
Jan 2021

... he will show up and vote with Trump. He doesn't have a choice, anymore. I don't think moderates trust him anymore, so Marco has nowhere to go but down with the ship.


sop

(10,205 posts)
8. No matter how he votes, Ivanka and Big Daddy are coming for him in 2022.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:03 PM
Jan 2021

A "no" vote may help him with Trumpers in the primary, a "yes" with general election voters.

Deuxcents

(16,248 posts)
10. Welll...
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:20 PM
Jan 2021

They’ll have to convince the Cuban community to unseat Marco. Don’t know about the rest of Florida voters..maybe the Trumpers in north Florida. Should be terrifying. Either way, we need a strong Democrat to beat em....hmmm. One can dream...

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