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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:58 PM Jan 2021

If Trump has called the Senators (jurors) on the phone, should they be disqualified from jury duty?

You know he has called some of them.

That's just the way he operates.

I would be really surprised if this has not already happened.

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If Trump has called the Senators (jurors) on the phone, should they be disqualified from jury duty? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2021 OP
I would think that would render them ineligible to be fair and impartial Blue Owl Jan 2021 #1
It's not a criminal or civil trial. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #2
They are a jury. kentuck Jan 2021 #3
No, it is not, not in the same sense as a judicial trial. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #5
They aren't a jury FBaggins Jan 2021 #11
This is not a judicial trial and none of the rules used in those trials The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #4
This explains the attack of wishy-washiness on the part of GOP senators who were outraged on the 6th Walleye Jan 2021 #6
There's nothing to prevent Trump from conspiring with Senators. Kablooie Jan 2021 #7
It's not jury duty. It's a political process greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #8
Absolutely not. The Senators are not jurors. StevieM Jan 2021 #9
This is not a courtroom trial, so such rules don't apply StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #10
I don't think it will make any difference, the whole thing will be a disconnect bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #12

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
5. No, it is not, not in the same sense as a judicial trial.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jan 2021

It is a hearing to determine whether the president or other federal officer should keep his job (or in this case, whether he should be barred from any future federal office). The senators are more like a performance review panel than a jury.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
11. They aren't a jury
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:31 PM
Jan 2021

They're often referred to as such in shorthand, but they are both judge and jury... and neither at the same time.

As TwilightZone said... it isn't a jury trial

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
4. This is not a judicial trial and none of the rules used in those trials
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:05 PM
Jan 2021

apply to this procedure. The Senate has its own rules for impeachment trials which bear little resemblance to those for judicial trials; however, those rules allow for objections to be presented to the Presiding Officer. https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/3_1986SenatesImpeachmentRules.pdf

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
6. This explains the attack of wishy-washiness on the part of GOP senators who were outraged on the 6th
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jan 2021

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
7. There's nothing to prevent Trump from conspiring with Senators.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:09 PM
Jan 2021

It's already accepted that it's not an impartial jury.
There's no voir dire to drop out Senators that have connections to the defendant.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. Absolutely not. The Senators are not jurors.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jan 2021

This came up during the impeachment stunt against Bill Clinton.

This is not a criminal trial, it is a political process. Trump has every right to call Republican senators if he wants to. It is worth noting that Clinton never did that, and he would have been crucified if he had. But it is not illegal or necessarily improper.

Besides, can you imagine the precedent that would set? The next time you had a GOP congress and a Democratic president they would impeach the Democrat and then find some reason to disqualify Democratic senators from the jury. Probably all of them. I actually seem to remember Mark Levin calling for Chief Justice Renquist to disqualify Tm Harkin from the jury when he said the Republicans' entire case was "a pile of dung."

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
12. I don't think it will make any difference, the whole thing will be a disconnect
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:34 PM
Jan 2021

About 55 Senators will vote to convict, 12 will be absent, there will be a lot of shouting, Republicans won't listen to evidence, Trump will regurgitate Stop the Steal, and we could emerge with further polarization. The trial could also expand to multiple months of witness testimony. Get it over with. The Insurrection and the leaders belong in a criminal court with actual unbiased jurors. And I seriously doubt anyone will be expelled from Congress for their actions, no matter how egregious. Our government is being held hostage by thugs and right wing public opinion.

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