North Carolina and Ohio are potentially Purple States

[samsingh]

President Biden should get his team to start working with the local party leaders and do a Georgia there.

[ms liberty]

1. NC is not "potentially" a purple state, it IS a purple state now. n/t

[samsingh]

2. Even better!

Let's turn it solid blue!

[Cirque du So-What]

3. Ohio will be more purple once we tackle the gerrymandering problem

A sizable gulf between urban and rural will still exist, but if gerrymandered-to-hell-and-back districts can be redrawn, Democrats will have a fighting chance.

[Ace Rothstein]

4. Ohio is a lost cause at this point and a waste of resources.

[dsc]

5. NC is in far better shape in that regard than Ohio

In Ohio the only statewide Democratic winners since 2006 have been Sherrod Brown, Barack Obama, and a couple of Supreme Court justices in non partisan races. In comparison, in NC we have won governor's races in 2008, 2016, and 2020 state AG races in 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020. We have won secretary of state and auditor races in all four of those years. Insurance and superintendent of schools and LT gov races in 2008 and 2012. Plus we won every statewide judicial race in 2018. We also have won the Senate race in 2008 and Obama carried NC in 2008. With Trump out of the picture, one hopes at least he is out of the picture, I think NC will become a slightly less blue state than VA. Ohio, on the other hand, I don't see us having a base to get to winning again there. Barring cloning Sherrod Brown, I think we are in deep do do.

[Dreampuff]

6. You need someone

Like Stacey Abrams!

[TheRealNorth]

7. At this point, NC seems like an easier haul...

And we also need to focus on holding the rest of the Midwest (WI, MI) + PA. All three of those can be made easier this census (Democratic governors) if the state and congressional districts are drawn fairer, removing any advantage the Republicans have in controlling that state legislatures.

At this point, TX was closer (6 pts) than OH (8 pts). Hate to give up on OH, but it seems that unless AA turnout can be boosted in the cities, OH is Republican for the foreseeable future. Because racist white guys (and women) seem amped up to vote Republican now.

[dsc]

8. we already got a redraw in PA so nothing to gain there

but WI and MI are promising to the extend the governor can use the veto

[Drunken Irishman]

9. I think Ohio is gone. It seems to be getting more and more conservative.

Biden lost it by about as much as Hillary in 2016 despite seeing large improvements in surrounding states. That told me Ohio is a state that is likely gone for the foreseeable future.

I think the biggest goal should be keeping Brown's senate seat because I fear he'll be in danger when he's up for reelection.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

12. Sherrod Brown Isn't Up For Reelection Until 2024

And what is even more surprising is that Sherrod Brown is wildly popular in Ohio. Even in his 2018 re-election, he won comfortably. He's found a way to to be a fire-breathing liberal while still holding wide appeal among working class Ohioans. I wish we could bottle his formula, because it's something that seems to escape most other Democrats. It's the reason why I thought he would make a great Presidential candidate, but his candidacy fell flat.

The question I have is do the Democrats have a viable candidate to run for Portman's seat in 2022? My experience with the Ohio Democratic Party is that they probably don't.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. I know it's 2024 but the point stands.

I think he'll be a vulnerable seat in 2024. The Democrats did luck out, though, getting that seat when they did because there is no way Brown wins in today's environmental if he isn't an incumbent (also why floating him as a VP candidate never made sense).

But I think 2018 shows just how vulnerable he may be. That was a relatively strong Democratic year, especially in more moderate states, and Brown won reelection by six-points, despite most polls having him up between 9 and 20 points in October. But that's also another troubling thing about Ohio: the polls have overstated Democratic support in statewide races by a significant margin these last three elections. Brown did better, of course, and still won but the dynamics of the state are playing against him.

I think he's still a favorite in 2024 but with it being a presidential election year, that could impact things.

[octoberlib]

10. Not potentially. I live in NC and it IS a purple state.

Extreme gerrymandering is complicating things.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

11. Ohio Used To Be THE Quintessential Purple State

Now, thanks to years of unchecked gerrymandering, union-busting, and the loss of manufacturing jobs, along with the near-complicity of a pathetically inept Ohio Democratic Party, it's a State that allows a piece of human garbage like Donald Trump to win by 8% TWICE.

Also, my anecdotal experience has been that the rural areas of Ohio (which appear to be everyplace EXCEPT the major cities) seem to be overrun with people moving here from West Virginia and Kentucky. I've lived in Ohio my entire life, and it's almost like it's West Virginia North now in the rural areas.

[struggle4progress]

14. Dems would win NC except for gerrymandering