Just now, MSNBC said that Sinema went to McConnell herself & assured him the filibuster would stay

[Celerity]

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waiting for a text news link

will update when I find one


ETA

here is a partial treatment of it (not exactly what I was looking for but for now it is what I found)


https://www.npr.org/2021/01/26/960621238/mcconnell-relents-on-senate-filibuster-stalemate

[malaise]

2. Hope it has the same meaning as not appointing SC judges close to elections n/t

[mucifer]

4. Yeah, Chuck seemed so confident. She could be lying to moscow mitch

[malaise]

6. We can hope

[Bettie]

9. I wonder if it is a situation where they are giving

Republicans a shot at being decent.

The filibuster stays as long as they behave like adults.

Give those two a reason to vote for nuking it.

[Turin_C3PO]

16. I'm hoping that

if the Republicans choose to obstruct all reasonable legislation, that Sinema, Manchin, and whoever else will reconsider their position on not nuking the filibuster. Also, maybe the filibuster can be modified in such a way to make it less terrible.

[MuseRider]

10. Off topic

but I just wanted to say I LOVE your Georgia peach. It is so perfect and eye catching. I smile every time I see it.

[malaise]

12. Thanks MuseRider

It was a peach of a victory. It brought down MoscowMitch so it's not off topic either

[MuseRider]

14. Oh so true.

I never thought I could feel so relived in my life.

[servermsh]

3. Mitch said the same thing on the Senate floor today n/t

[servermsh]

5. Also, remember, it is not a Yes/No question. The filibuster can be reformed

There are various proposals to reform the filibuster, while keeping it. Most reforms would actually put the burden back where it belongs: on the minority. For example, requiring 41 votes to sustain a filibuster. This would require the minority to stick around. Today, one Senator puts a "hold" on and everyone else goes home.

[BlueIdaho]

8. Excellent point!

I like the way you think!

[Klaralven]

18. I've never understood why they don't make the filibustering side actually do a filibuster.

I've heard it's because many Senators are physically too decrepit to actually speak at length.

[Fullduplexxx]

7. Unbelieveable

Runs right over to mitch and whispers dont worry mitch I wont let them do that to you

[OnDoutside]

11. I would like to hear exactly what said i.e. I won't vote to remove it, as long as you don't fuck

around with Biden like you did with Obama. If she gave a carte blanche, then Turtle will be laughing into his soup.

[beastie boy]

13. She made no comment on changing the rules for fillibuster though. 59 votes to kill it? 55 votes? 52?

And neither did Manchin, BTW.

Mitch has nothing. And Schumer is in full control. Period.

[Celerity]

17. We get around the 60 vote threshold to either change it, restrict it more, or do away with it all

together via the same method that Reid used in 2013 (all nominations other than for the Supreme Court of the United States) and McTreason used in 2017 (removed the exception for SCOTUS nominations as well).

We do it by the process of setting a new precedent.

see this for a more robust fleshing out of that

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15008713

[Sneederbunk]

19. Sometime barking Bluedogs bite.

[Celerity]

20. I think McTurtle used this whole bullshit to get some of our Senators on the record as saying

they will not vote to do away with the filibuster and then use that as a sledgehammer against them when they run for re-election (both Manchin and Sinema are up for re-election in 2024) IF they do change their minds. I also think he is banking on one or both of those 2 to block a some of Biden's big ticket items via refusing to vote for them unless they are pared down.

Finally I think he (McTurtle) is looking at the last 2 two first midterms of a first term Dem POTUS (1994 and 2010, which were disastrous for us) and then applying it to the Senate 2022 map and is feeling far from pessimistic about his chances to reclaim the Majority in the the Senate.

We have 4 toss-up or near toss-up seats to defend (GA (Warnock), NV (especially if Sandoval runs v Cortez Masto), NH (especially if Gov. Sununu runs v Hassan), and the less likely (now that Ducey has said he is not going to try versus Kelly) AZ.

The Rethugs only have 3 truly at risk seats (the two open seats in PA and NC, plus the shitbox Johnson in WI). FL (Rubio is harder than those) being a possible 4th, but the rest are reaches in this coming midterm environment (as it stands, many things can change).