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Briefing on now - Susan Rice speaking
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Execution of criminal penalties is an exclusive and inherent STATE function that should never be sub-contracted to private interests.
-Laelth
and there is that additional worry about prisoners being released 'for assignments'.
Towlie
(5,325 posts)
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Reuters: Biden to limit private prisons and bolster fair housing policies
Laelth
(32,017 posts)It will take a long time to fully dismantle the prison-industrial complex.
-Laelth
wnylib
(21,498 posts)BComplex
(8,054 posts)ever did. Next to putting DeJoy in charge of the post office (?)...
No it's much worse than putting DeJoy in charge of the post office. Privatized prisons had no incentive to release well-behaved prisoners who had no access to lawyers of note. They don't feed the prisoners decent food, because they're in it for the PROFIT.
It's a horrible situation. My Godson is in prison....drugs...and he didn't even have adequate blankets to keep warm when he tested positive for COVID.
This country needs to quit having more prisoners than all other industrialized nations combined.
aggiesal
(8,919 posts)You say PRIVATIZE, I say PROFITIZE
Correct, they'd make less PROFIT, if we take care of it ourselves (i.e. government run prisons)
Correct, the higher occupancy rate, the more PROFIT they make.
There, see, you said it; ... because they're in it for the "PROFIT"
BComplex
(8,054 posts)"privatized". "Privatized" doesn't sound nearly as nasty as what we have under "profitized" prisons.
aggiesal
(8,919 posts)Anything that says PRIVATIZE or when mentioned in a conversation, I immediately say PROFITIZE
Same goes with REGULATIONS, I use PROTECTIONS
Putin (Pooo Tin), I say Put In, as in bend over, which Pendejo45 did a lot.
You're Welcome.
BComplex
(8,054 posts)This one will come in handy, too! Thanks!
aggiesal
(8,919 posts)complains about how regulations since the 2008 mortgage meltdown, makes it harder to close mortgages.
I immediately say, "You mean the PROTECTIONS, to keeps the predatory lenders out of the mortgage industry? You mean those PROTECTIONS are making it harder to close mortgages?"
Shuts them up immediately.
calimary
(81,323 posts)Because privatizing is nothing but modern day PIRACY!
AllaN01Bear
(18,268 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Well said.
This is an important issue to me
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Auggie
(31,174 posts)634-5789
(4,175 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)The Florida Republican led legislature actually turned down one of those contracts a few years ago. It shocked the hell out of me.
The contract offered meant that the state had to make sure there were above a certain number of prisoners put into the private facilities every year. How fucked up is that?
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)rehabilitation. There should be a ban on private prisons.
brush
(53,792 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2021, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)
I liked her for SoS, but did she get one?
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,247 posts)brush
(53,792 posts)malaise
(269,063 posts)brush
(53,792 posts)electric_blue68
(14,915 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,444 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)Raven123
(4,851 posts)Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Those prisons are full of people incarcerated for bogus reasons and used as slave labor and cash cows for the wealthy. Such a seedy, evil enterprise.
This got a WOOT! out of me!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)Hekate
(90,716 posts)If theyre bad (and yes, they are) at least there are the means for reform.
Who in the public has oversight of private prisons? Where is the Commission? Youve got fucking stockholders. They are an abomination.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)The push for reform is what makes state-run prisons places of slave labor in the name of rehabilitation.
Auggie
(31,174 posts)President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed executive orders on housing and ending the Justice Department's use of private prisons as part of what the White House is calling his racial equity agenda.
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Details: Biden will direct the Department of Housing and Urban Development to examine how previous administrations undermined fair housing policies and laws, according to senior officials.
One executive order calls for "re-establishing federal respect for tribal sovereignty" following years of tension between tribal governments and former President Trump.
Biden also ordered the Department of Health and Human Services to examine how Trump's rhetoric about COVID-19 may have led to discrimination against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders.
https://www.axios.com/biden-signs-racial-equity-executive-orders-private-prisons-98e094a4-b156-48c4-bac6-b359c29c0652.html
malaise
(269,063 posts)Yes
Prs Biden will also be speaking later on Covid and vaccines
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)Hekate
(90,716 posts)The very idea of private prisons is an abomination
AllyCat
(16,193 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Good news is breaking into a four year dip into the dark ages.
Saw the Nazi concentration camp commander "wanna-be" on fuckwad carlson last night. Such a vile, sick bastard.
niyad
(113,370 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)And guess what I found:
Whizy Kim
Last Updated January 8, 2021, 4:50 PM
On Wednesday, January 6, a violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the Capitol in an attempt to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes that would confirm Joe Biden as the 46th president. At the time of writing, five people have died as a result of the insurrection.
After the mob was sufficiently amused by their selfies and live streams and had stolen enough artifacts to remember the insurrection, they left behind a heap of broken glass, furniture, and trash and also a very important question. Who, exactly, would clean up this mess? It's important to ask exactly whose labor we rely on to return to a veneer of normalcy and civility in the wake of a violent riot of white supremacists. Does the U.S. government go antiquing for some replacement mahogany desks?
As TikTok user Jessica Jin (@jinandjuice) explained in a viral video yesterday, one possible replacement for damaged government furniture could be new pieces produced by incarcerated people in federal prisons:
@jinandjuice
Cleaning up after a coup is literally dirty business. #coup #fyp #congress #capitol #furniture #justice #prisonlabor #america
♬ original sound - jessica jin
Federal Prison Industries (FPI), also known as UNICOR, is a government-owned corporation that uses prison labor to produce everything from office furniture to awards and plaques. As Jin explains in the video, FPI is a "mandatory source" for government agencies, meaning it must be given priority when the government is considering the purchase of goods of the kind that FPI manufactures, such as office furniture. After an agency realizes it doesn't have the goods it needs in its inventory, and other agencies don't have excess supplies, it must next consider if FPI's products are comparable to other commercial sources for "price, quality, and time of delivery."
More: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/01/10255564/prison-labor-furniture-capitol-attack
Here's a link to the TikTok video cited:
https://www.tiktok.com/@jinandjuice/video/6914925820758772998?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v2
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)"As TikTok user Jessica Jin (@jinandjuice) explained in a viral video yesterday, one possible replacement for damaged government furniture could be new pieces produced by incarcerated people in federal prisons" (Bolding added by me.)
I know nothing about Jessica Jin or Whizy Kim, and I never heard of FPI or UNICOR until now, but "possible" and "could be" mean something might happen, not that it's a done deal. But the headline says "Prison Labor Will Clean Up The Mess." (Bolding added by me again.)
I'm as much against using prisoners as slave labor as anyone, but this seems like an overstatement to me. When I first read that headline, I thought it meant literal gangs of prisoners were being brought in to clean up the Capitol building.
Sorry if I sound too picky to anyone. I'll admit that I AM picky about things like this, because over exaggeration in headlines and story titles is one way inaccurate rumors can get started.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I did some more digging around TikTok and it seems the poster got a response that the US Capitol has its own group of woodworkers to maintain and repair the historic woodwork. But Unicor MUST sell only to the federal government:
By statute, with a few limited exceptions, FPI is restricted to selling its products to the Federal Government. Its principal customer is the Department of Defense, from which FPI derives 52.5 percent of its sales. Other key customers include: General Services Administration, Bureau of Prisons, Social Security Administration, Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and United States Postal Service.
2. What is FPI's market share?
For those Federal Supply Classification Codes (FSCs) in which FPI operates, FPIs overall FY16 market share is only 2.2 percent. FPIs statute requires that it produce no more than a reasonable share of the overall market in any specific product.
The Board of Directors is responsible for determining what share is reasonable. FPIs specific market share in any given FSC code may vary, depending upon the particular product and size of the market.
FPI provides products and services in over 80 different FSC codes, and its share in most FSC codes is less than five percent. In those same products, when looking at the total U.S. market, including the commercial sector, FPIs market share in most cases is typically less than one percent.
https://www.unicor.gov/FAQ_Market_Share.aspx#1
Maintaining a facility such as the Capitol is more complicated than most people can imagine. Heck, I only have a few antiques and it is complicated maintaining them!
cynical_idealist
(360 posts)gray water and gray food not suitable for human consumption
MissB
(15,810 posts)enough times! Yay!!!
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)marble falls
(57,112 posts)rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Never liked the idea of for-profit prisons -- I mean, what happens when there are too many law abiding and acquitted people to fulfill your quotas?
rocktivity
Great news, the man is moving fast!
lark
(23,121 posts)How much better off are we due to this so much needed change? Don't know the percentage, but at least I don't wake up every day wondering what pillar of our democracy and freedom is being destroyed today. That alone is immensely better than before.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)when a bunch of guys burst into a tavern, read a legal announcement about a whaling ship that can't depart for a months-long voyage because it's short-staffed, and proceeded to haul the youngest men out of the place -- despite one young man's protests that his dining partner was his pregnant wife.
rocktivity
OAITW r.2.0
(24,506 posts)Incentivizing the private incarceration business is a perversion of Democracy.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)making it too easy for WHN* to reverse course. We need to get private enterprise out of the incarceration industry. No way people should be profiting off of prisons.
*WHN=what's his name
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)Imagine turning that industry loose on the population, in the form of legitimate law enforcement. Guns, badges, the whole nine.
rurallib
(62,426 posts)ananda
(28,867 posts)It does not include ICE prisons.
Those need to be closed down and revamped
stat!
ffr
(22,671 posts)Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)MyMission
(1,850 posts)I was thinking the private prisons might be a good place to keep the insurrectionists.
Since they're awful places, that crowd deserves to be held there. Make them work for their keep.
Then again, since most are probably owned by 45's cronies, his jailed supporters might get preferential treatment.
Of course I don't really approve of these prisons, but if they're going to continue we might as well use them for the people that 45 loves, or really the ones that love him.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)profit. Local jails also make money contracting with state facilities. Profit will still happen!
Privatized prisons incarcerate only about 10 percent of the prison population, but this action doesn't free anyone, so rest easy -- people are still suffering.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)
when profitability depends on spending as little on the prisoners as possible while NEEDING as many prisoners as possible. All privatized prisons should be banned.
rocktivity
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Thanks for posting this! Excellent news!
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)spanone
(135,846 posts)Big Money
malaise
(269,063 posts)and establish a production factory system.
Remember this?
In 2008, judges Michael Conahan and Mark Ciavarella were convicted of accepting money in return for imposing harsh adjudications on juveniles to increase occupancy at for-profit detention centers. ... He was convicted on 12 of 39 counts and sentenced to 28 years in federal prison.
Blue Owl
(50,434 posts)I can't fathom anyone low enough to profit off something like a prison. Talk about depraved...
malaise
(269,063 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)industry. States and local communities benefit monetarily from prisons. Plenty of private industries and companies profit off state-run prisons. It's depraved whether it's public or private.
Celerity
(43,420 posts)He is literally the only Dem in congress I support a primary challenge against (unless Feinstein tries to run yet again and stay in the Senate until she is less than 2 and a half years short of being 100 years old).
Cuellar is in a safe Blue district, it has never once elected a Rethug in history.
We need to run a good centrist (the only ones who have run the last 2 times are far left Berniecrat types who cannot get elected there) who actually believes and supports our platform. In the last full congress before this one that just ended, Cuellar also voted with Trump almost 70% of the time.
Besides being extremely anti-LGBTQ (he is completely against LGBTQ rights to marriage and also opposes other protections for us), he is A - rated by the NRA, anti-immigrant, and a forced-birther (what I call pro-lifers) who votes that way. Cuellar and Dan Lipinski (who lost) were top targets of EMILYs List in the 2020 Democratic primaries.
there is this:
(Cuellar endorsed, campaigned for, and fund-raised for a Republican RWNJ, racist, climate-change denialist, John Carter (who beat Democrat MJ Hegar, who went on to lose to Cornyn for Senate in 2020)
Onward Together is an American political action organization founded in May 2017 by former U.S. Secretary of State and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to fundraise for progressive political groups including: Swing Left, Indivisible, Color of Change, Emerge America, and Run for Something.
Private Prison Democrat Backs Private Prison Republican at Big Money Fundraiser
https://www.indivisiblehouston.org/private-prison-democrat-backs-private-prison-republican-at-big-money-fundraiser/
Its rare to see Democratic incumbents raise money for Republican politicians and vice versa in any election cycle, but its particularly rare to see in 2018, a year when the House and Senate are up for grabs and there are heated elections all over the United States. Yet thats just what were seeing here in one congressional race in Texas.
A Politico explains:
WITH CONTROL OF THE HOUSE IN PLAY
DEMOCRATIC TEXAS REP. HENRY CUELLAR invited supporters to a breakfast fundraiser for REPUBLICAN TEXAS REP. JOHN CARTER this morning in San Antonio at Mi Tierra Cafe. The invite sent from a Cuellar political staffer links to a John Carter Conservative for Congress contribution page with donor levels up to $2,700. Cuellars decision to raise money for Carter stands out at face value because he is raising money for the opposition. But the peculiarities dont end there. Carters opponent, MJ Hegar, is a strong candidate running a powerful effort and has the endorsement of the Blue Dog Coalition
a group backed by non other than Cuellar himself.
So what gives? Private Prison lobbyists, apparently. Cuellar and Carter are the #2 and #3 congressional recipients of private prison industrial complex cash (the #1 recipient, John Culberson, is also in the Texas House delegation). Geo Group, the largest player in the $3 billion private prison industry, is the largest provider of immigrant detention.
As Dallas Morning News reported:
GEO has come under scrutiny by immigrant rights organizations for alleged mismanagement and abuse in detention facilities. GEO faced class-action lawsuits in which detainees alleged that they were forced to work. In a GEO facility in California, three detainees died in custody. The American Civil Liberties Union accused GEO of denying detainees food, water and bathroom access.
Cuellars dedication to private prisons and manufacturing immigration problems in league with Republicans to benefit his own campaign coffers is a recurring theme in his congressional career. Earlier this year, he was utilized as a stooge representative by the office of Senator John Cornyn to resurface an old immigration lie in order to present a straw man argument on family separation, all while incentivizing the separation of families. That lie began long ago, in 2014, when Cornyn and Cuellar initially touched base on the issue. Cuellar claimed in the aftermath of the fundraiser that he was merely attending the event, but the fact that his staff sent out the email betrays his motivation to assist Carter directly. Equally hollow is Cuellars claim that friendship is more important than partisanship; the only thing worse than bitter divisive partisan infighting getting in the way of policy progress and justice is when a Republican and Democrat work together to hurt people and uphold a crooked industry that shouldnt exist.
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"GEO GROUP GAVE GENEROUSLY TO TRUMP" to run lucrative detention centers
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212276389
PRIVATE PRISON COMPANY GEO GROUP GAVE GENEROUSLY TO TRUMP AND NOW HAS LUCRATIVE CONTRACT
Spend Money to Make Money
https://www.newsweek.com/geo-group-private-prisons-immigration-detention-trump-596505
On August 19, the day after Yates' announcement, GEO Corrections Holdings Inc., a subsidiary of the GEO Group, donated $100,000 to the pro-Trump PAC Rebuilding America Now. Then, on November 1 seven days before the presidential election it gave another $125,000 to the organization.
In addition, GEO Corrections Holding Inc. had donated $200,000 to the Senate Leadership Fund, a Republican PAC, on September 27, 2016, and $100,000 to the Conservative Solutions PAC on April 17, 2015.
GEO Group's top recipients (All of Congress)
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022003&type=P&sort=A&cycle=2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022003&type=P&sort=A&cycle=2016
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000022003&type=P&sort=A&cycle=2014
Private Prison Campaign Cash Still Welcomed by Some Democrats in the Trump Era
https://rewire.news/article/2018/09/14/private-prison-campaign-cash-still-welcomed-by-some-democrats-in-the-trump-era/
No congressional Democrat has received more financial backing from private prisons than Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), who has taken $88,990 from GEO Group and CoreCivic America since 2012, according to Open Secrets. Cuellar, who has voted in line with the president 68.9 percent of the time, has received more campaign cash from GEO Group in 2018 than any congressional lawmaker but Rep. John Culberson (R-TX). Almost all of Cuellars private prison campaign cash over the past six years has come from GEO Group, which has a history of in-custody deaths and other abuses. Cuellars office didnt answer questions submitted by Rewire.News about the Democrats acceptance of private prison campaign money.
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tymorial
(3,433 posts)Those assholes profit on the brutalization of people. I am not saying the prisoners are innocent but the judiciary has long ignored cruel and inhuman treatment of people in this country. The citizenry are worse because so many know better.
BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)Ill bet Trump Christians cant see it. What you do to the least...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Here's an article descrbing the fairly current situation, state and federal. Because of moral and practical reasons, #s stopped rising and have been going down somewhat for over a decade now, but we all know we really need to get rid of for-profit incarceration.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/
orangecrush
(19,575 posts)For white supremacists.
What we saw on January 6 was much like a prison riot.
It is long past time to end mass incarceration started by Reagan.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Agree!
orangecrush
(19,575 posts)At least 1/4 were ex cons.
The language used in their rants was pure jailhouse.