Expect conviction for Trump

[scrabblequeen40]

Do not allow anyone to change that expectation.

Resist the temptation to lower the standard for impeachment. Especially here on DU. We expect conviction. We demand conviction. Nothing less is acceptable.

Fuck Trump. He will be convicted.

[lillypaddle]

1. From your mouth to god's ears

Welcome to DU!

[Demsrule86]

2. I prefer to face reality. He will not be convicted unfortunately.

[Chainfire]

6. Trump can escape conviction but the Republican Party can not.

[Demsrule86]

12. I hope that is true. " The longed for title way of justice and hope and history rhyme".

[Thekaspervote]

17. Agree...Not facing the facts is what the pukes do...no thanks

[scrabblequeen40]

46. The reality is: the GOP can bleed out drop by drop -- for the world to see

Or they they can salvage what is left of their party by voting to convict.

The democratic party needs to BRING IT ON.

Make the cowards bleed (figuratively) SLOWLY, PUBLICLY. Humiliate them; get them on record for things history will never let them forget.

Leave them twisting in the wind. May they never live this shit down.

Make resignation or conviction their ONLY dignified response.

Nothing less is acceptable.

We demand conviction.

[dweller]

3. Yeh, no way will we win

2 Joegia senate seats ...


✌🏻

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. If 10 Russiapublicans stay home, we only need 10 Republicans to vote to convict.

[Bettie]

5. You'd think that

the ones who want to run in 2024 would want him NOT to be able to run against them....

[blueinredohio]

13. They want him to run WITH them.

So they can all rule forever and never have to worry about another election.

[Bettie]

16. I always forget about their adoration of

dictatorships.

As long as they get to scream and jump up and down about "the libs" they are happy...well, they are angry as always, but angry in the way they like to be. I guess.

[brooklynite]

7. No.

Expectation is built around reality. I WANT conviction; I don't EXPECT it.

[dickthegrouch]

40. Expect is way too soft

I DEMAND conviction.
And jail.

[brooklynite]

41. And when you don't get what you demand, what then?

[Blecht]

8. The Bears are gonna win the Super Bowl this year, too

[underpants]

11. LOL

Why weren’t the Washington Generals allowed into the NBA bubble last year?

[BComplex]

43. George Soros! Or was it Hillary's emails?

[Demsrule86]

14. Cleveland will appeal their loss and win.

[lame54]

9. I'm all for positive thinking but...

Not when it clashes with reality

[Wednesdays]

10. And if you clap hard enough,

you can save Tinker Bell.

[FreepFryer]

15. Refusing to convict Trump is saying it is acceptable for them to violently overthrow the government

We have been warned and we should heed that warning.

The principle of the OP is completely correct. We should expect no less but must expect the worst.

[LSFL]

20. And yet when I forward my grandfather's advice

On how to deal with nazi shit heels I catch a warning and get hidden.
I still believe my papa's solution is correct. It is the only one that has been tested.

[FreepFryer]

21. As a pacifist, I was raised to never strike anyone in anger unless I was absolutely sure...

...I could get away with it.” - Russell Ziskey, STRIPES

[Karadeniz]

18. Well, excuse me, but thoughts can produce results...proven. I admit, thinking a herd of men into

Acting with conscience is more difficult than creating pretty or ugly crystals in water...but there are a lot of us! I'll pick one of my senators, the one who just might have some conscience-stem and send him the message to behave with honor. It might help and it sure won't hurt!!!

[mdbl]

31. agreed. everyone should be bending the ear of the worthless GOP senator in their state

doing nothing will get nothing for sure.

[Demsrule86]

39. Sherrod Brown will vote to convict Trump. Portman won't. He is not running so you can't punish

him.

[mdbl]

44. I wonder why they are all such weenies, are they under death threats?

There is no good reason for the repuglican senators refusing to convict that constitutional criminal.

[Blue Owl]

19. He better fucking be

If not, then there is no justice for the rich and we are not a nation of laws

[Demsrule86]

37. This is not 'justice'. This is political. He can still face charges at the state level and unless

he pardoned himself the federal level. I never had any expectations that the Senate Republicans would vote to convict Trump.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. It's fortunate that my expectations have absolutely no impact,

on how this plays out.

It would be nice if he would get convicted, but I'm not expecting it.

[kimbutgar]

23. Too bad they couldn't have an anonymous vote.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

24. No one will change my expectation.

He'll be acquitted. Maybe three or four Rethugs will cross over.

[OMGWTF]

25. If the Rs are smart they will vote to convict.

This ensures he can't run again and makes them look like they have a conscience (which they fking don't).

[mdbl]

33. They really don't care anymore

GOP has -

no shame
no ethics
no accountability
no morals
no honor

[msfiddlestix]

26. recommend

yes, that's what we expect.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. The drip, drip of the conspiracy will live on after impeachment

The issue, the stain, the damage will not go away. Republicans own it. The Big Lie by the Big Liar will come to be known as the fraud it is. Have great faith in the truth. It can only be suppressed for so long, and it always wins out in the end.

[ancianita]

28. I respect your spirited optimism. We ought to be coming up with at least TEN we could

convince with a few arguments.

Yours is the kind that wants to talk fearful cultists into 1. ridding themselves of their parasitic mob boss, that 2. encourages them to use law enforcement handle those who threaten them thereafter. They will become adults, and 3. be all the freer for it.

I want a conviction. I think it's possible, because I think it's possible for the fearful to change. And I expect every damn minimal call effort from the non-72 million Americans to convince them to do it. I will be calling the 10 most likely to vote nation over their jobs. Get 10, and 7 more might join.

We can start with these ten:

UT Mitt Romney
ME Susan Collins
AK Lisa Murkowski
NE Ben Sasse
PA Patrick Toomey

Four purple states -- one Democrat and one Republican

OH Rob Portman R, Sherrod Brown D

MN Steve Daines R, John Tester D

WI Ron Johnson R, Tammy Baldwin D

WV Shelley Moore Capito R, Joe Manchin D

NC Richard Burr R

[Celerity]

49. based on their statements, here are the ones most likely (the 10 bold are the most likely of these)

These are just educated guesses for the most part


Richard M. Burr N.C.
“The President bears responsibility for today’s events by promoting the unfounded conspiracy theories that have led to this point.”

Susan Collins Maine
“If you announce ahead of time how you’re going to vote, I don’t see how you can render impartial justice before you’ve heard the evidence.”

Mitch McConnell Ky.
“I have not made a final decision on how I will vote and I intend to listen to the legal arguments when they are presented to the Senate.”

Shelley Moore Capito W.Va.
“I did support the president, and I did support the policies and I think the policies were good for West Virginia. But this is inexcusable.”

Lisa Murkowski Alaska
“I will listen carefully and consider the arguments of both sides, and will then announce how I will vote.”

Rob Portman Ohio
“If the Senate proceeds with an impeachment trial, I will do my duty as a juror and listen to the cases presented by both sides.”

Mitt Romney Utah
“During the course of an impeachment trial, Senator Romney will again be bound by his oath to ‘do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.’ He will consider all of the facts and evidence presented,” a spokesperson said.

Ben Sasse Neb.
“As a juror, I’m not announcing anything now and I’m going to be limited on what I say in advance.”

Thom Tillis N.C.
“I’m prepared to go back up to Washington and listen to the arguments.”

Patrick J. Toomey PA.
“Should the Senate conduct a trial, I will again fulfil my responsibility to consider arguments from both the House managers and President Trump’s lawyers.”



then the wild cards, we need 7 of these IF the 10 above vote to convict


Marco Rubio Florida (IF he is running for POTUS, but he is a worm)

Tom Cotton Ark. (IF he is running for POTUS, but he is a dangerous thug, albeit extremely intelligent)

Tim Scott S.C. (surely he must at some point tire of supporting white nationalism, but maybe not, grrr)

John Thune S.D.

Deb Fischer Neb.

John Kennedy La. (listed because he can do bizarre things, and is actually one of the most intelligent Senators, he totally plays a fake dumb slack-jaw hick persona to gaslight the rubes in the bayou)

Chuck Grassley IA
“That’s a major thing you’ve got to think about, should Congress, under the Constitution, even do it? We shall see.”

Michael D. Crapo Idaho
A spokesperson said that Mr. Crapo is undecided.

Richard C. Shelby Ala.
“I believe we need to wait and hear the evidence. If there is a trial, which would be my third as a sitting Senator, I would sit as a juror. And as a juror, I would carefully consider the evidence presented.”

Dan Sullivan Alaska
“When a trial is conducted, I will be a juror, and I will thoroughly examine the arguments and evidence presented, including any defence mounted by the President’s legal team.”

John Cornyn Texas
“If they decide to proceed with the impeachment trial, I will certainly listen to the case presented.”

James M. Inhofe Okla.
“Accordingly, I will withhold further comments given my role as a prospective juror.”

James Lankford Okla.
“We’re going to go through the facts and the issues on this.”

[ancianita]

51. Brilliant approach. Thank you. Citizen calls can now be all the more persuasive, using their words

to show that Americans are watching, do listen to them, and that if they vote to convict, their own openness, objectivity, integrity proves that the Senate remains a deliberative body.

I would add two upsides and three downsides in the call.

To wipe Trump from the future of the party
1. allows non-violent Americans to trust that their party is a real party, not a cult;
2. allows the party to grow back those who've unregistered by the tens of thousands, and gain more of the 32 mil unregistered adults in the US

To keep trump is to
1. to grow an already violent cult and
2. hold to the Russian disinformation crowd that feeds them from afar, and
3. above all, create an unsafe government, country and world.

Democracy is this kind of call effort. DU might well be up for this.

I'm going to start calling them.

Richard Burr 224-3154
Susan Collins 224-2523
Mitch McConnell 224-2541
Shelley Moore Capito 224-6472
Lisa Murkowski 224-6665

Rob Portman 224-3353
Mitt Romney 224-5251
Ben Sasse 224-4224
Thom Tillis 224-6342
Patrick J. Toomey 224-4254

Marco Rubio 224-3041
Tom Cotton 224-2353
Tim Scott 224-5274
John Thune 224-2321
Deb Fischer 224-6551

John Kennedy La. 224-4623
Chuck Grassley 224-3744
Michael D. Crapo 224-6142
Richard C. Shelby 224-5744
Dan Sullivan 224-3004

John Cornyn 224-2934
James M. Inhofe 224-4721
James Lankford 224-5754

[Celerity]

52. +10000000000000000 for the numbers!

[NoRoadUntravelled]

29. We must demand conviction.

If he is allowed to get away with his crimes it leaves an open door for the possibility of even worse in the future. What happens now in the Senate trial will have much to say about the future of Democracy. No one is above the law. Period.

[Demsrule86]

36. Not to pick on you, but exactly how do you demand that a GOP 'jury' who has made up their mind

not to convict Donald Trump convict him?

[mountain grammy]

30. the witnesses may convict him..

the case should be strong. I trust Democrats to present facts and witnesses that could lead to a conviction.

Fuck Trump. Let's have a trial!

[Demsrule86]

35. The Senate Republicans have made up their minds.

[mountain grammy]

38. Doesn't matter. There will be a trial..

with facts and witnesses. that's important, don't you think?

[Jon King]

32. I don't agree at all..

I don't see the sense in expecting what won't happen. In fact, I want them not to convict, I want Trump to be the Republican party.

This fight must be had now. Let the Republican party continue to latch onto Trump. Convicting him means the Repubs can trick swing state voters in 2024 that they have changed and we end up in worse shape. The base will come around to whoever runs as a Repub, the swing staters may fall in line and we lose GA, AZ, MI, WI, PA. The second the new more 'moderate' Repub actually gets elected....boom, they will revert to being 100% Trump again.

The best way forward is for Trump to get off, get his confidence back, and come back as the face of the Republican party. That will insure they never get the Presidency in 2024.

[theneworiginal]

34. I predict the Senate will not convict but the DOJ will.

How can they ignore the highest crime and the lowest criminal in history. Our democracy is at stake.

[brooklynite]

42. I'm not aware that "We know what he meant, even if he didn't say it" is a basis for conviction

[Initech]

45. Lock him up! Lock him up!

[USALiberal]

47. I hope he is, but it will never happen! nt

[StarfishSaver]

48. I hear you and I'm close to where you are

I don't expect, but I also don't assume that he can't be convicted. Circumstances change two weeks is a lifetime. It's very possible that he could be convicted, although it's not likely.

We need to keep pushing - but don't push the Democrats. Work on the Republicans in your state, even if you think it won't do any good.

[spanone]

50. I don't have a scintilla of faith in any republican doing the right thing.