I am finally losing it - between no-impeachment trial-in-the senate

[mrsadm]

is possible, to the horrible behavior of Marjorie Taylor Greene - why are we democrats accepting this? Republicans get away with (*&^%$ and we just say "oh well" - why do Democrats have reasonableness and the other party is tolerating mob attacks, killing, stalking a poor survivor of a mass shooting - can't we fight back some how? ARGHHH!

[mr_lebowski]

1. I think Democrats should be like 'Well if he can't be impeached, then he can be prosecuted'

Nobody is above the law, and if you say a lame-duck can't be impeached (and convicted), then they must be subject to civil criminal penalties like anyone else.

[hedda_foil]

19. There's no reason he can't be prosecuted as he didn't pardon himself.

Might he possibly have issued a "secret" pardon? Sure it's possible but it would have had to have been filed before he left office to be official and it's awfully unlikely that it could be hidden for long.

[mr_lebowski]

22. Well there's that whole Justice Department memo thing about Presidents

That some people seem to think suggests that a POTUS isn't subject to criminal law for political acts done while in office.

[StarfishSaver]

40. Impeachment and prosecution are not mutually exclusive. Both can be done

But Congressional Democrats have nothing to do with criminal prosecutions. That's for the Justice Department. And it takes more than a week for DOJ to build a case against anyone, so it's not realistic to expect him to have been indicted by now.

[Applan]

2. Two words

Al Franken. Yup.

[KS Toronado]

5. Would love to see Al Franken working in Washington DC again

[EarlG]

3. There's going to be an impeachment trial in the Senate

[SheltieLover]

8. This!👆

[brooklynite]

4. What does "accepting this" mean?

It takes 2/3 of the House to eject a Member.

It takes 2/3 of the Senate to Convict an Impeached office-holder.

Both require the participation of Republicans.

Neither will happen.

[still_one]

14. Exactly. I don't think people are aware of what the Constitution says

[bearsfootball516]

6. I don't know what you mean by accepting.

You can bet every Democrat in the House will vote for expulsion. But it takes 2/3rds. We can't force Republicans to vote how we want to.

[AllaN01Bear]

7. since they swore loyalty to trump and not the constitiution,

they should be censured or at least expelled .

[sarcasmo]

9. Different rules for Republicans. Al Franken set of rules for the Democratic party.

[mr_lebowski]

23. Are these the circular firing squad/100 percent ideological purity rules?

I hate those rules.

[MineralMan]

10. Who said there will be no impeachment trial?

[mrsadm]

16. I was reading CNN I think that

since the senate doesn't have the votes to rule for impeachment, that Pelosi was looking into some other form of censure. Sorry I cannot find a link now, will post when I do!

[MineralMan]

17. There will still be a trial. The House has impeached him.

The Senate must try him. The votes may not be there for conviction, but the trial will occur.

There could also be a censure, of course. The two are not dependent on each other.

[Bev54]

20. There will be a trial and if no conviction

they can still choose to use the 14th amendment for censure.

[Demsrule86]

29. There are a group of Democrat Senators and some moderate Republicans who feel a censure would be

best...one argument they make is Trump will declare victory if he is acquitted which he will be and that will help him get back more power. As for Nancy, she has voted for impeachment and the House managers will prosecute the trial if their is one and as far as I can tell the trial is still on...Nancy has nothing to do with censure.

[onenote]

33. Pelosi doesn't control whether the Senate conducts a trial

[Lucinda]

11. We aren't accepting this. n/t

[Kaleva]

12. I have no idea why you are accepting it.

As for me, I trust our leadership in the House and Senate to do what is do-able and what they deem best.

[WA-03 Democrat]

15. +1000

[still_one]

13. It take 2/3 of the House to expel her. Are their 2/3 of the House votes there?

[Kablooie]

18. Everything takes a 2/3 vote and virtually no Republicans will vote against anything Republican.

Insurrection against the government, deaths in the Capitol, denial of Constitutional law, elected representatives threatening the lives of others, guns in Congress, accepting total corruption of the presidency and a president who incited insurrection.

What's wrong with that?

They heartily approve of all this as long as it's done by Republicans.
They know there are no consequences for any of this because 2/3 vote is always needed and Democrats don't have it.

And it will continue because nearly half the country votes Republican and Republican voters will not ever, EVER, vote against a Republican. It's not about policy it's about the tribe. If the tribe turns fascist and destroys everyone's life that's fine because it's being done by Republicans.

[mrsadm]

21. Thanks Kablooie, you understand my thoughts exactly

Good way to describe the situation!

[Dem2]

24. It's a game.

We're suckers for falling for it.

There's always nuts on the right; we waste WAY too much energy worrying about them. Biden has done way more than even I could have dreamed of in a week.

Oh, and the trial will happen and it will look very bad for the Republicans who don't vote to convict.

[mcar]

25. There will be no impeachment trial in the Senate?

When did that happen?

What Democrats are just accepting Greene?

[JI7]

26. What BS . It's Republicans that are accepting it. It's Republicans that vote

them into office and republicans that continue to support them.

[GulfCoast66]

27. Was wondering when the blame democrats for republican behavior was going to start.

Biden is not a king. We barely control the Senate. But somehow we are not doing enough.

Respectfully, give it a rest.

[Demsrule86]

30. That is exactly right.

People demand thing that are not attainable with our present circumstances and then the handwringing begins.

[GulfCoast66]

34. How have you been? Until a few days ago I've been giving it a rest.

I’ve got a life to live, too.

[Demsrule86]

36. I have Covid but am recovering...had some scary days but I avoided the hospital and a respirator.

I also have a sinus infection and bronchitis...so I have no life right now...am quarantined on my own so no one else gets it...now enough whining. I am happy you are enjoying your life...I will too ...soon.

[GulfCoast66]

42. Oh, sorry to hear that news.

We are doing our best to avoid it. But we have to earn a living.

My hope for a speedy recovery.

[betsuni]

31. Yes.

The Democrats-don't-fight thing:

[Demsrule86]

28. We have a 50 50 Senate and a bare minimum in the House. Personally I think things are going

quite well. But then I never expected we would convict Trump in the Senate. If you look at the situation with how it really is not how you wish it was, you will feel better. We can do quite a bit. I am very pleased with Joe Biden and the Democrats.

[bdamomma]

32. Well

it is not the Democrats who are imploding, it is the Repigs who feed the lies everyday, RIP cult leader and cult members.

[Demsrule86]

37. They have some tricks up their sleeves though...like instead of statewide elections for president or

governor or Senate ...use gerrymandered house districts. And Arizona flat out said the legislature could cancel the presidential electors for any reason in their new bill.

[MustLoveBeagles]

35. The trial starts February 9th

There's little chance there will be enough votes to convict. It takes 2/3's to do so. I get your frustration. I wish the reality was different but it's not.

[radius777]

38. Schumer has stated clearly there will be a trial.

Whether the Repubs convict or not (likely not, but who knows what McConnell would do) the Repubs will be forced to 'face the music' and see the evidence and vote on it. It's about what side of history they'll be on - the side of Trump and the insurrectionists or on the side of democracy.

I didn't care for Tim Kaine talking about censure now. If we don't get the impeachment conviction then we can start talking about using the 14th Amendement to bar him from ever holding office, which would iirc only take a majority vote.

[StarfishSaver]

39. Who's saying, "Oh, well"?

And what are Democrats accepting?

[H2O Man]

41. Eeyore

is no way to be.