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Rhiannon12866

(205,839 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 02:30 AM Jan 2021

Real Time with Bill Maher guests - Friday, January 29, 2021

Real Time with Bill Maher continues its 19th season Friday, January 29 (10:00-11:00 p.m. live ET/tape-delayed PT), with a replay at 11:25 p.m., exclusively on HBO.

This week features a one-on-one in-studio interview with evolutionary biologists Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein, co-hosts of The Dark Horse podcast, and co-authors of the forthcoming book A Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century.

This week's in-studio panel discussion will include Van Jones, CNN political commentator and CEO of REFORM Alliance, a group working to dramatically reduce the number of people who are unjustly under the control of the criminal justice system; and journalist James Pogue, contributing editor at Harper's Magazine where he recently wrote about the monopolization of gun culture by the political right.

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Real Time with Bill Maher guests - Friday, January 29, 2021 (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 OP
What, he's not having Marjorie Taylor Greene on? Crunchy Frog Jan 2021 #1
I think even Bill has his limits Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #2
K&R nam78_two Jan 2021 #3
Well, I certainly agree with you. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #5
One million for Obama, two million to PACS in 2018 to get Democrats elected. betsuni Jan 2021 #6
Donald Trump contributed lots of money to democrats Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #12
Whatabout. betsuni Jan 2021 #14
No Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #15
Maher's ode to people who get things done: Henry Waxman, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, betsuni Jan 2021 #16
That was good Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #17
He has apologized for Nader many times on his show, said he learned his lesson. betsuni Jan 2021 #19
Has he apologized for all his other Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #20
Going to disagree with you on Mahers' racism and previously discussed racist statements irisblue Jan 2021 #11
He is not wrong Cosmocat Jan 2021 #13
Hmmm nam78_two Jan 2021 #18
One other point nam78_two Jan 2021 #21
Ugh, more "anti-PC" campus protestor bashing. mattclearing Jan 2021 #4
Thanks Rhiannon! smirkymonkey Jan 2021 #7
Awwww, thanks! Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #8
Looking forward to Van Jones. Don't know about the others. Still, one never knows question everything Jan 2021 #9
I don't know much about the other ones, either. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #10
His show has been awful since it restarted this year Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #22

nam78_two

(14,529 posts)
3. K&R
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 03:03 AM
Jan 2021

Bill Maher does push the envelope with his guests....but that is ok. I don't think he is racist and I would hope he is not sexist. He is a comedian who pushes it. But he will always be controversial.


It isn't a bad thing if some liberal comedians push the boundaries a bit. It is better than having the alt right do it.
He is not a right winger-I am quite sure. And he is a sincere advocate of animal rights and environmental issues.

He did call the election for Biden:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-calls-election-biden-052921203.html

His views seem to be in line with DU's because he slams third party voters. His whole schtick is to bash everything and so he is bound to be more unpopular than Noah, Colbert or Stewart.




Rhiannon12866

(205,839 posts)
5. Well, I certainly agree with you.
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 03:56 AM
Jan 2021

I think what a lot of people forget is that Bill Maher's a comedian, not a journalist, and the name of his previous show was "Politically Incorrect." He likes to push the envelope. And unlike the weeknight late night guys, he doesn't make an effort to be likable - yet he does have the same priorities as most of us - like you said, he's big on the environment and is a huge supporter of animal issues. He's often critical of what a lot of Americans choose to eat.

And in his position, I don't think he feels he has to craft his message to be popular. He's always got his comedy appearances to fall back on. He says what he thinks. And he may have RWers on his show in order to take them on, but he can't go too far or none of them would ever appear again. And didn't he contribute a million dollars to Barack Obama? I agree that he's "one of us," whether we like him, or not.

betsuni

(25,598 posts)
6. One million for Obama, two million to PACS in 2018 to get Democrats elected.
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 06:22 AM
Jan 2021

So according to idiots who believe money makes Democrats beholden to donors, they totally have to do whatever Maher says!

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
12. Donald Trump contributed lots of money to democrats
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 08:51 AM
Jan 2021

over the years, including Hillary Clinton when she ran for Senator. Does that get him a pass on his racist and sexist comments too?

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
15. No
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jan 2021

Just because Maher contributed to democrats doesn’t make him immune for criticism, same as Trump.

betsuni

(25,598 posts)
16. Maher's ode to people who get things done: Henry Waxman, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry,
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jan 2021

Barack Obama, John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank. Workhorses, not show horses.


 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
17. That was good
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:53 AM
Jan 2021

but it still doesn't excuse bigoted, racist and sexist statements that he has made over the years or his active support for Nader in 2000. Including pushing a Steve Bannon conspiracy theory earlier in last night's show: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-pushes-bonkers-steve-bannon-wuhan-lab-covid-conspiracy

betsuni

(25,598 posts)
19. He has apologized for Nader many times on his show, said he learned his lesson.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jan 2021

I actually watch the show. Here's just one apology:



He's a comedian, it's a talk show. I'm not married to him.

irisblue

(33,018 posts)
11. Going to disagree with you on Mahers' racism and previously discussed racist statements
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 07:30 AM
Jan 2021

Source-https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-who-said-the-n-word-on-tv-argues-that-racism-in-america-is-exaggerated?ref=scroll

It's nice he is supported Biden though



snip-" From my post in the AA group
Rich White Man has opinions on racism. Bill Maher has thinky thoughts
Source-https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-who-said-the-n-word-on-tv-argues-that-racism-in-america-is-exaggerated?ref=scroll


snip-"But later on, during the panel portion, things got strange when the conversation turned to race. Maher, as you may probably know, has a checkered past when it comes to racism and bigotry, from dropping the N-word on his program, to regularly trading in Islamophobia, to saying that Black Republican Rep. Will Hurd collected CIA intelligence “by the Popeyes Chicken,” to a despicable rant against China over the novel coronavirus."

snip-"Have no fear, however, because Bill Maher does not see race so much (according to Bill Maher).

“So, am I wrong to not want to see race all the time? Because that’s how I was brought up. Like that’s what a good liberal does, is you don’t see race. And now, they switched it all around and I’m bad because I don’t see it all the time. Is ubiquity even effective? To make people aware of this issue at every turn?” said Maher"

snip-"“I’m so sympathetic to the cause, but don’t gaslight me, you know?” argued Maher. “And this is what I hear privately from my Black friends: I don’t want to be the focal point. I just want to blend in. I want to have a beer like you. Don’t look at me like I have to make a speech about it, or you have to make a speech about it.” (To be clear, this is Bill Maher speaking on behalf of his anonymous Black friends.)"


snip-"I’ll leave you with the testimony of one of Maher’s exes, Karrine Steffans. Steffans, who is Black, once said of him, “Bill wants someone he can put down in an argument, tell you how ghetto you are, how big your butt is and that you’re an idiot. That’s why you never see him with a white girl or an intellectual.”

more at source

I'm thinking that his advice on race might be a bit suspect.


Maher has issues with People of Color.




Cosmocat

(14,568 posts)
13. He is not wrong
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jan 2021

About this.

"And this is what I hear privately from my Black friends: I don’t want to be the focal point. I just want to blend in. I want to have a beer like you. Don’t look at me like I have to make a speech about it, or you have to make a speech about it.”

This is absolutely true about most POC.

We (those of us who are white and are part of DU) are not like most white people - most are either in denial or know it and are too prideful to get past their biases. And, in either case get real hateful and mean real fast when called out on it.

They know this and know shit just is not going to change for the most part, so they just want to keep their heads down and live their lives.

Look, Maher is a dick for sure. But, while I don't know who this black woman who he dated was, and he does certainly like women of color, but I have seen pics of him with slender white chicks at red carpet events, and in the white "intellectual" woman category there was Arriana huffington and Ann Coulter ...

nam78_two

(14,529 posts)
18. Hmmm
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jan 2021

I am not white but I am not black either. So I am out of my depth here-though looking over all that it is racism towards black people, Islamophobia etc. I respect your opinion and I have nothing further to add on that-that is not an empty statement. I just cannot dissect his comedy or politics beyond a point on this. I mostly focus on science,environmental and animal issues so I rarely get into anything outside those areas beyond being generally supportive of the most progressive stances.

But as to Maher's contributions as a whole, I have a sort of defense. Not sure if you would buy it-maybe it is too convoluted. I look at the world through the eyes of an environmentalist all the time so it is the best I can do:

He is an animal advocate, an environmentalist and generally sides with sane view points big picture. The poorest people-who mostly tend to be people of color across the globe will pay most heavily when climate change and other forms of ecological collapse impact us. And yet I have routinely seen environmental issues at the bottom of people's priority lists. We are not particularly far-sighted as a species. The here and now obsess us.

I am a procrastinator too but I can see what is in front my eyes wrt the big picture. I see our species overtaking the planet in insane ways and if someone has a higher level of awareness on that head, it is hardly something to dismiss as "liberal cred" or "oh he wuvs cats and doggies" (that is not a passive aggressive swipe at any DUers...but an overt criticism of all humans, including myself- I should be finding better ways of channeling my activist energy but I am lazy and prefer virtual interactions with people wrt politics or making donations over boots on the ground). His is a genuine awareness that cannot be ignored and in the long run, people with these views are likelier to support decisions that are better for people and especially people of color, who are disproportionately poor-I don't have stats to back that up. But that has been my sense impression.

Bill Maher is not a bad guy. He has all sorts of issues possibly or he puts them on display or I don't know what. But his priorities are not bad. Of course, I haven't watched his show in over 12 years-it is a sense impression . It is roundabout defense but you can make your call.

As a species we are not good at seeing that issues that we deprioritize are actually connected to issues we prioritize. That is why I am a liberal, even if I take what bread crumbs of compassion to animals or concern for the environment one can get out of conservatives.

I am a liberal because it is a world view that is logically consistent-respect for scientific facts over superstition; concern for the biosphere we all rely on; concern for other human beings-racial equality, gender equality, LGBT rights; concerns about poverty, class and human rights/democracy; keeping conflict and war to the bare minimum required for survival and finally not being cruel to non-human life. They are roughly interconnected. It is just that we are a fairly crass and opportunistic species. I hope we change because the ways in which we mostly think right now [not to mention perverse attempts to milk our current diseased state as a species/planet (surveillance capitalism for instance)], will not get us through the challenges presented by ecological collapse, rising fascism etc., with democracy and human rights actually intact.
Ugh long post...oh well..

nam78_two

(14,529 posts)
21. One other point
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 01:57 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sat Jan 30, 2021, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

I thought hard about whether to post this or not and finally decided to go for it. Because I think these are issues too serious to ignore or avoid and as I get older I find that having the strength of one's convictions where they are based in rationality is better than avoiding controversies. I do what I can to draft my responses carefully enough that they avoid anything analogous to flame-wars.

I am engaging seriously and this is my sole form of activism outside of donations and I do it because environmental and animal welfare issues truly keep me up at night.

Anyway to get to the stuff that troubles me. The more aware I become, I see the corporate world globally
pursue the tackiest and most destructive forms of "forward movement" possible. It doesn't have to be this way.

But there is a definite and malicious rationale (by all corporatists-white and non-white) for encouraging a growing population of lower/upper middle-class non-white consumers to be alienated from environmentalism and animal welfare and to paint these stealthily as "white issues" at the same time that neo nazis etc. perpetuate a moronic, volkish form of green that fuels racism and tribalism, without disrupting corporate profits in the slightest. They have done with all people entering the middle class for a long time now-no conspiracy theories needed. These are moronic corporate nutbags whose thought processes are idiotic and short sighted. Some pathetic internal calculation (wrongly) informs them that their progeny will probably be insulated from the effects of eco collapse since they are greedily feathering their nests surreptitiously. These are probably not evil people but certainly they are incredibly shallow, crass and stupid. I have a thought experiment where I wonder how a super intelligent, empathic and cool alien species would view humanity as a whole. I think we would make them sad-especially the people with the greatest access to power and resources.

The reality is that the few passionate naturalists, animal lovers and environmentalists-as far as I can tell-exist in about the same numbers across all groups-all nationalities, races, religions (where the brain washing is not too severe) and cultures.

With everyone else, it is the ideas they get exposed to and with corporations and corrupt or risk averse politicians at the helm, we are seriously ill-equipped to meet the challenges eco-collapse will present. Right now, for all that it is a more hopeful time than any other recent time window I can think of, if we squander this and let corporations like the endlessly repellant Facebooks and Googles (not to mention large enterprises destroying the environment more directly), determine our futures, we are not in good shape. I worry that eco-collapse, rather than fueling more cooperation, sanity and progress worldwide, will merely lead to a disgraceful scramble for resources and more fascism.

I find the emergence of the AOCs and the Greta Thunbergs a positive sign. And yes I know there are many others. It is just that they are 2 people I can think of who are symbolic of what I hope is a growing tendency in the youth to not be the way many of those who built this world were and are.
There had to be better ways. This was in no way inevitable. It is avarice, hubris and malice that got us here.

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
4. Ugh, more "anti-PC" campus protestor bashing.
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 03:43 AM
Jan 2021

I generally watch, but these interview guests are an excuse for Maher to yell at clouds. Pass.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. Thanks Rhiannon!
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 06:32 AM
Jan 2021

Not so sure about the first two guests, but I still find the line up interesting enough to watch.

He often pisses me off, but I still find enough of his show to be entertaining and compelling enought to tune in to. I'm still a bit on the fence here, but I do look forward to your post of his show. Thanks again for checking in with this!

Rhiannon12866

(205,839 posts)
8. Awwww, thanks!
Fri Jan 29, 2021, 06:43 AM
Jan 2021

And of course Bill has some controversial guests. There have been a couple that I disliked so much back in the day that I also skipped the show. But he also always has a few that I really like and I always come away learning something. So I've learned to "take what I want and leave the rest." I like most of his "funny bits" and New Rules is always worthwhile, my take on it is that it's whatever's most important to Bill at the time.

Johnny2X2X

(19,107 posts)
22. His show has been awful since it restarted this year
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 02:02 PM
Jan 2021

3 terrible episodes. And he refuses to let guests talk about Biden. And he refuses to address Trump leaving when he said for 4 years he won’t.

On top of those quacks he had on. And the libertarian black guy last week that said racism doesn’t exist basically.

Been awful.

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