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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 07:53 PM Jan 2021

Does anyone else see a problem with this picture?

Robert Reich

U.S. billionaire wealth in 2010: $1.5 trillion
U.S. billionaire wealth in 2020: $3.9 trillion

Federal minimum wage in 2010: $7.25
Federal minimum wage in 2020: $7.25


Does anyone else see a problem with this picture?


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Does anyone else see a problem with this picture? (Original Post) kpete Jan 2021 OP
K&R for visibility Blue Owl Jan 2021 #1
It's unsustainable. Change it peacefully, please. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #2
Good words yonder Feb 2021 #38
Well OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #43
It's been the same KIND of picture for over 35 years. Hortensis Jan 2021 #3
Excuse me? House of Roberts Jan 2021 #6
Actually, I didn't realize I sent that. I'll amend it to "those on the Hortensis Jan 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Feb 2021 #37
Looks like some folks have greater influence over our elected representatives than others. jalan48 Jan 2021 #4
Just goes to show...you can buy ALOT of tax relief with a spare $ trillion dutch777 Jan 2021 #5
Even more pathetic is you don't need nearly that much to buy a congressman... AZ8theist Jan 2021 #12
Fortunately many states and localities Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #7
A: Trickle Down Economics is a GOP Myth? Mr. Ected Jan 2021 #9
Trickle Down Economics is like Jason and Freddy. Yavin4 Jan 2021 #23
That'd be funny if not true. I'll go with clever. yonder Feb 2021 #39
This should be a national embarrassment. BigmanPigman Jan 2021 #10
Yes. It should be. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #44
it's sick how low it is. Don't know how can do anything for less than 15, especially single parents. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #11
Just to note, in California the min wage is $13 Crash2Parties Jan 2021 #13
Sure do, biggest problem in the world. Ligyron Jan 2021 #14
I'd bet most of that increase is on paper. Stock ownership & property values. oldsoftie Jan 2021 #15
You can graph that back a few more years ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #16
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #27
+1. Excellent graphic that says a lot, thanks. yonder Feb 2021 #40
As Chairman/CEO of "Pitchforks 'R' Us" I've just decided Buns_of_Fire Jan 2021 #17
Gonna need guillotines, too liberaltrucker Jan 2021 #21
That would be aisle 4. We also have kits in our D-I-Y department, for those on a budget. nt Buns_of_Fire Jan 2021 #28
"Eat the Rich!" calimary Feb 2021 #46
I see a problem for some people, for sure. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #18
Wow! Those poor, poor billionaires must be working SO-O hard! tclambert Jan 2021 #19
Re-invent Robin Hood! Aussie105 Jan 2021 #20
This👆 I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2021 #22
Here Are Some Charts That Track Constant Dollar Values DallasNE Jan 2021 #24
+1. Thanks. yonder Feb 2021 #41
It can't be any clearer bdamomma Jan 2021 #25
The only protection workers have ever had from Aussie105 Jan 2021 #29
we've been redistributing wealth to the top since Ray-Gun Takket Jan 2021 #30
K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R TigressDem Feb 2021 #31
Well... Mike Nelson Feb 2021 #32
KnR...nt N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2021 #33
I definitely do! But then, Reich is my favorite economist. n/t PatrickforO Feb 2021 #34
hem AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #35
The only thing that trickled down was the malaise Feb 2021 #36
Great thread with good comments and examples. yonder Feb 2021 #42
Yep. Glaringly so. calimary Feb 2021 #45
A 'stagnant money' tax? Aussie105 Feb 2021 #47
Hmmm. Yes. Kinda. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2021 #48

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. It's been the same KIND of picture for over 35 years.
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 07:59 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:36 PM - Edit history (1)

And the Democratic Party has been trying to stop its development for that long.

Btw, have any on the illiberal left explained why they were as sure as the trumpists that Democrats were terrible and that it'd make no difference if Democrats OR the party of ultrawealthy white men got control in 2016? After all Democrats had already started what they could do under Obama to get rid of the ultrawealthy classes, with plans for much more.

Given their claimed opposition to income inequality, it has never make any sense at all.

House of Roberts

(5,186 posts)
6. Excuse me?
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:06 PM
Jan 2021

"...has Senator Sanders ever explained why he thought it'd make no difference to throw the nation TO the party of ultrawealthy white men and away from the Democrats..."

Before I even accept that Bernie Sanders EVER made a statement of such, you'll have to show me cited proof that he did.

Or is today just smear Bernie Sanders day and I missed it on the Sunday shows?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Actually, I didn't realize I sent that. I'll amend it to "those on the
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:34 PM
Jan 2021

illiberal left who..." Out of recognition for his forebearance during the last election.

Response to House of Roberts (Reply #6)

dutch777

(3,044 posts)
5. Just goes to show...you can buy ALOT of tax relief with a spare $ trillion
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:05 PM
Jan 2021

Shameful. Really, REALLY, shameful

AZ8theist

(5,506 posts)
12. Even more pathetic is you don't need nearly that much to buy a congressman...
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jan 2021

I read somewhere it only costs about $3000 bucks to get a congressman to do your bidding....

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
7. Fortunately many states and localities
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 08:09 PM
Jan 2021

are taking care of the minimum wage problem. I'm okay with there being a federal minimum wage, but it really does need adjusting for cost of living in some areas. 7.75 is too low for anywhere, though.

Like Chris Rock said, If your boss is paying you minimum wage it's like saying I'd like to pay you less, but it's against the law.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
23. Trickle Down Economics is like Jason and Freddy.
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:40 PM
Jan 2021

A monster that was created in the 80s and just cannot be killed.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
13. Just to note, in California the min wage is $13
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:05 PM
Jan 2021

It will be $14 in 2022, and $15 in 2023.

For employees of companies with 26 or more employees, it's a dollar more each year.

And we're still the world's fifth largest economy, so the conservative's arguments fall flat.

oldsoftie

(12,616 posts)
15. I'd bet most of that increase is on paper. Stock ownership & property values.
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:41 PM
Jan 2021

And not easily converted to actual money. Yes, its still a massive jump. Yes the minimum wage should be increased for sure. It should go up every year. But i would not double it instantly; that would be a massive hit to millions of small businesses.

Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #16)

Buns_of_Fire

(17,197 posts)
17. As Chairman/CEO of "Pitchforks 'R' Us" I've just decided
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:48 PM
Jan 2021

to bring back our famous line of "Millionaire Marinade$".

We'll probably put them next to the rent-to-own tumbrels.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
18. I see a problem for some people, for sure.
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:49 PM
Jan 2021

But, if you're looking for something to feel positive about this...the system is working exactly to spec.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
19. Wow! Those poor, poor billionaires must be working SO-O hard!
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:57 PM
Jan 2021

Working through lunch, never playing golf, never taking long, luxurious vacations. And they must all have Ph.Ds. to have the kind of smarts it takes to earn SO-O much money. Doesn't your heart just weep for them?

Seriously, no one should make that much money (except LeBron, he might be worth it.)

Aussie105

(5,437 posts)
20. Re-invent Robin Hood!
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jan 2021

Take from the rich, give to the poor!

$15 per hour? Nope, let's go for $30!

The top end of town won't even notice. Just ignore the bitching about it though.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
24. Here Are Some Charts That Track Constant Dollar Values
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jan 2021

What stands out is that not only have the owners taken every dime of the productivity gains of the workers but also cut the real earnings of the workers. This is one of the key reasons the share of income for the top 1% has exploded over the years while minimum wage workers slide deeper into the poverty hole. Our economy is immoral.

https://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html#:~:text=Nominal%20values%20range%20from%20%240.25%2Fhr%20in%201938%20to,the%20minimum%20wage%20to%20keep%20up%20with%20inflation.

bdamomma

(63,923 posts)
25. It can't be any clearer
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:51 PM
Jan 2021

that 1% is practicing reverse socialism they steal from us and give to themselves. Bastards.

Aussie105

(5,437 posts)
29. The only protection workers have ever had from
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jan 2021

employers expecting workers to work for basically nothing, is strong Unionism.

Governments all over the world have gutted the power of Unions, and the bosses have done what you'd expect greedy people to do. Keep wages dormant, while inflation erodes buying power.

The economic effect of people living on or below the poverty line seems to evade politicians. They after all, make much more than the basic income. They don't feel the pain.

Meanwhile, small businesses throughout the country wonder where the customers are, and why the few that do show up, don't spend big.
(HINT: they don't have the money to spend.)

Interesting historical facts:
In Australia, there was once a link between the pay rises Federal politicians voted for themselves, this flowed on to
Federal and State Judges and politicians. From there, to state employees like teachers and nurses.
There were significant and regular pay rises. Buy a house, mortgage hurting? Fear not, a couple of pay rises and you'd be laughing!

This led to rampant inflation and high interest rates on both savings (good) and mortgages (bad) and the links were soon severed.
Of course, politicians maintained their need for pay increases.

Unions reacted to this by . . . . crickets!



Takket

(21,635 posts)
30. we've been redistributing wealth to the top since Ray-Gun
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jan 2021

Time for warren to unleash her wealth tax. it is terrible for the economy for wealth to be sitting in bank accounts of 1%ers who don't need or want to spend it. How much money does a person actually need to be able to fund everything they could possibly desire?

The more wealth is fluid, the better for everyone. And the rich will still be rich. just not AS rich

there is no reason we can't have a surplus and pay down the national debt by the time 2024 rolls around

Mike Nelson

(9,969 posts)
32. Well...
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:20 AM
Feb 2021

... YES. The minimum wage should be raised, obviously. The very wealthy have excesses of cash they can't even spend fast enough, given a human lifespan. I'm sure Reich knows this, but the minimum wage isn't the only problem... and wealthy people can still be rich and live like Gods, with some fairness...

calimary

(81,514 posts)
45. Yep. Glaringly so.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:10 PM
Feb 2021

If your country set it up so that you can become super rich, then you should be DAMN GRATEFUL, and be more than willing to shoulder a bigger share of the burden.

It goes back to the whole idea of the scrawny little 98-pound weakling out walking with the 275-pound muscleman. They come upon an overturned car, and want to right it to check for injured people. Who of the two is best-equipped to turn that car back to right-side-up? The skinny weakling or the big brawny muscle dude?

Methinks the republi-CONS would assign that heavy-lifting job to the weaker of the two, so Mr. Muscles could relax and maybe take a nice nap.

Aussie105

(5,437 posts)
47. A 'stagnant money' tax?
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:25 PM
Feb 2021

Got everything you want, plus a few million dollars of spare cash?
Great! Well done!

Got more stashed away in different places? Been there for years? Not so great.
How about a 10% annual tax on these, drawn directly from those accounts into government coffers, no wriggle room?

And start tracking down those stale and stagnant cash piles in overseas accounts? 20% annual tax on those?
And those companies - you know who you are - that channel profits to token on paper only 'head offices' in different countries that offer tax havens?
They were meant to attract investments in those local places, but that's not working.

The problem with money is that it's human nature to think you can never have enough.
You always want more, even well beyond buying a comfortable lifestyle for the rest of your life.
Only a few rich people spread their excesses elsewhere. We applaud these philanthropists, while ignoring the money hoarders.

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