Pentagon: Active duty service members participated in Capitol riots - timeline of phone calls

[SheltieLover]

https://www.localmemphis.com/mobile/article/news/national/active-duty-service-members-participated-in-capitol-riots-january-6-insurrection/65-d84d45f5-fe0f-4ff3-8a9f-0cfcab6c0825


WASHINGTON — For the first time, WUSA9 is hearing from the Pentagon that there were in fact active duty and veteran members of the military who participated in the riots at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Just this week, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said “some of the extremists who stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6 were active duty service members and others were military veterans.”

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Documents from the Department of Defense give a play-by-play of the decisions that may have allowed the insurrection at the Capitol to get as far as it did on Jan. 6.

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3:00 p.m.

Almost a full two hours after DOD first heard something might be wrong, they decide all available DC National Guard forces are required to help take back the Capitol.

Much more at link.

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. Seriously, bullshit.

Mike Flynn's brother was calling the shots on delaying a federal response to the Capital Insurrection. He needs to get arrested and drop dimes.

[SheltieLover]

3. That was my 1st thought!

He & his shitty brother!

[crickets]

8. Yep. Whoever repeatedly denied he was there needs a little chat with the FBI as well. nt

[Sogo]

2. Surely the active duty members will be court-martialed.....

And the veterans should lose all benefits (maybe even retroactively dishonorably discharged - is that a thing?).

[SheltieLover]

4. Not sure, but sounds good to me!

[Rick Rolle]

5. Active duty members could certainly face court martial

While AD members could face a court martial, someone who has been discharged isn't subject to the UCMJ and, therefore, likely couldn't be punished in any way by the DoD. They could still face charges in the civilian courts, however.

[SheltieLover]

9. A few folks have posted saying they can be recalled and court martialed, with benefits terminated if

found guilty.

Not sure, personally, but it would seem if someone has a pension or health benefits through the VA, those benefits should stop, effective 1/6/21, if found guilty.

[Rick Rolle]

12. That likely would depend on their status

Everyone who enlists in the military (not sure how it works with commissioned officers) joins for a total of eight years. Most typically, someone enlists for four years and then remains on the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) list for four more years. It used to be common, also, for a 3/5 split, with at least a couple of the last five years being spent as a drilling reservist. After eight total years, however, the DoD no longer has a claim on that person.

Retirees, however, fall into a different category. I'm a retired Navy vet, and it was made clear to me when I retired that I would be subject to the UCMJ for as long as I was getting a retirement check. The VA is not part of the DoD and, therefore, has no UCMJ authority. If someone is discharged from the military, before retirement, and then subsequently is awarded VA benefits, there is nothing the DoD can do to revoke those benefits.

IANAL, and your mileage may vary.

[LeftInTX]

13. That retired AF Lt Col from Texas...

[Rick Rolle]

30. A retired Colonel is likely subject to the UCMJ

And he knows better, so he should be investigated.

[Gore1FL]

23. Thanks for the Info

and Welcome to DU!

[maxrandb]

29. I believe you to be correct

I had to "request/apply" for retirement from the Navy.

I could have just resigned my commission, but by requesting retirement, I chose to maintain a relationship with the military.

Although old and broke, I also understand that I could be recalled in the event of a national emergency.

Additionally, military members that are retired are required to maintain their eligibility for an "Honorable" characterization of discharge.

In cases of retired veterans that have committed heinous crimes, such as murder, or rape, or pedophilia, they can have their discharges administratively downgraded to take away retired pay and benefits. Downgrading a discharge is considered an administrative, not punitive, action.

This administrative action ensures that we don't have retired pay and benefits going to folks that are serving prison sentences for heinous crimes.

The Supreme Court has also ruled that veterans receiving benefits are "maintaining a relationship" with the military.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/02/25/military-retirees-can-still-be-court-martialed-supreme-court-affirms/

[Rick Rolle]

31. Good info. Thanks.

Similar to your situation, I had to request retirement, instead of just leaving at the end of my last enlistment. My documentation states, like yours, that I am subject to recall, administrative action, and the UCMJ. I seriously doubt I'd be recalled, and I am quite certain my uniforms no longer fit. They seem to have shrunk while in storage over the past 15 years.

[maxrandb]

32. Yours shrunk too?

I blame it on shoddy material.

I do still have my gortex weather gear and a couple of pairs of flightdeck boots.

I can walk through a river and my feet are still dry.

[Rick Rolle]

33. Yeah, funny how they do that.

I doubt they even make uniforms in my size. I'd be recalled to active duty wearing sweats, but my white hat still fits.

I always liked my dress blues. When you see someone wearing Navy dress blues, you know he's a Sailor. Like the USMC dress blues, it is distinctive and professional looking, and leaves no doubt with the observer exactly what it is that the wearer does, and is.

I like the trend towards fewer uniforms for Sailors, but I'm not sure the purpose of making them wear camouflage. Dungarees, or even better, blue coveralls, were the best uniform for shipboard wear. Exactly who are you hiding from with the camouflage onboard a ship?

[Dan]

22. Actually, I don't think that opinion is true, subject to a couple of conditions.

1. If the Veteran is receiving any retirement benefits - he/she is still subject to recall by the military and subject to the UCMJ.

2. If the Veteran was/is an Officer, retired, discharged, - he/she is subject to recall by the military and subject to the UCMJ.

3. The only Veteran that is not subject to the UCMJ is a former enlisted personnel that is not receiving any benefits for their service.

Of course, it's been a long time since I was in, but I think I hit the highpoints of this potential liability for former military personnel.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Taxpayers don't like the idea of paying the military to overthrow the government.

[SheltieLover]

10. That's for sure!

Well said!

Traitors and terrorists!

[Irish_Dem]

15. Thanks!

[SheltieLover]

19. Yw!

Credit where credit is due!

[cwydro]

28. No, that's not a thing. nt

[Cha]

6. Hope they get Dishonorably Discharged!

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The Stupid BURNS

[SheltieLover]

11. Totally agree!

Aloha, Cha!

[Cha]

14. Aloha & Mahalo, Sheltie!

It's wonderful to be a patriot & not some brainwashed traitor to the United States of America!

[SheltieLover]

18. Mahalo & Aloha to you, Cha!

It sure is!

And we even have a President now who is not trying to kill us all!

[Cha]

25. LOL.. Yes a Freaking Huge BONUS!!

[KY_EnviroGuy]

17. A friend dischated me one time years ago.

I called out his bullshit about his mistreatment of women and haven't heard from him since......

Seriously, if there are any groups that need their feet held to the fire for attending that rally and attempted invasion, it's the military and police.

Hope you're doing well, Cha and you're staying safe against covid.......

[Cha]

24. LOL! I saw that when I read it

just now & edited.
"Dischated".. Really?!! lol

Then I read your post & started laughing..

I'm fine except I can't see that well & type crazy stuff sometimes that I don't catch!

Staying safe over here, KY Guy.. it's easy to do when Everyone is on board with the 😷😷😷 & Social Distancing!

I wish the same for you & yours!

[KY_EnviroGuy]

26. Trust me, you're in good company.

Now where are those damn reading glasses? That "pair in every room" rule ain't working anymore.

It's time to take my Geritol and warm milk....... .......

[Cha]

27. Lol.. I have

magnifying glasses in every room but sometimes I'm foo lazy to use them.. & I get busted!

[theneworiginal]

34. How about a criminal trial in Military Court?

Let's not let them off easy. The bar is set higher for these people, and for good reason. They know damn well that this is an abandonment of their Oath to protect the country and Constitution. The military should be making examples out of them. One way or another, they are setting an example, so if this is not handled properly, others will follow.

[Cha]

35. That's what should happen.. I didn't

think of that when I posted but then saw those posts on this thread..

And, of course, I agree!

[tiptonic]

16. The Active Duty

The Active Duty people, seem to have forgotten their oath. They should end up in the old, 'cross bar hotel', then dishonorably discharged.

[Piratedog]

20. Active duty need to go to Leavenworth. Veterans should be stripped of benefits

[pnwmom]

21. The article doesn't say anything about the Maryland National Guard troops

that the Maryland Gov. was calling to offer.