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EarlG

(21,969 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:13 PM Feb 2021

You know what I'm NOT hearing from the defense?

“He didn’t do it.”

There’s been a lot of, “He had the right to say what he said,” and, “This whole trial is bogus,” and of course, “The prosecution are a bunch of meanies,” but no actual denial (so far) that Trump is guilty as hell.

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You know what I'm NOT hearing from the defense? (Original Post) EarlG Feb 2021 OP
K & R! Iliyah Feb 2021 #1
You're right PirateRo Feb 2021 #2
Or like ... ' you gonna believe me... SayitAintSo Feb 2021 #11
I thought I was imagining it Bettie Feb 2021 #3
It is the "Don't believe what you see with your own eyes" defense. madaboutharry Feb 2021 #4
And the word "cancel". Yes Schoen went there as a reason for this trial. AnotherMother4Peace Feb 2021 #5
He's always the victim. kentuck Feb 2021 #6
he is.. the Traitor incited the Deadly Cha Feb 2021 #7
You know what was.weird? LisaM Feb 2021 #45
They can't really defend him because there is no defense. GemDigger Feb 2021 #8
They Can't Present A Defense They Know Is False COL Mustard Feb 2021 #52
But right from the beginning they rolled the rioters under the ooky Feb 2021 #9
We haven't heard a defense ... StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #10
My stomach is in knots. Pepsidog Feb 2021 #12
He is actually arguing that BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #13
Perzackly! The defense has no defense. nolabear Feb 2021 #14
Finding it hard to listen... JeaneRaye Feb 2021 #15
Several people have suggested leftieNanner Feb 2021 #22
Yes. Jewish thing. JeaneRaye Feb 2021 #34
Apparently their heads must be covered when they eat or drink Clash City Rocker Feb 2021 #54
.... CatWoman Feb 2021 #16
They can't defend the indefensible MyMission Feb 2021 #17
Words they have not said...'Incitement of insurrection' spanone Feb 2021 #18
Really good point. Maybe later in the trial. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #19
Trump is regarded by many as the Worst President Ever. lpbk2713 Feb 2021 #20
Exactly! James Brown had a song called Talkin' Loud and Sayin' Nothing, that's what they are doing. iluvtennis Feb 2021 #21
Oh yeah Cozmo Feb 2021 #35
These lawyers should have taken a public speaking class in high school or something. world wide wally Feb 2021 #23
Yep. dalton99a Feb 2021 #24
Dershowitz is claiming Trump invited Not incited. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sarcasmo Feb 2021 #25
Even for guys who can't defend the indefensible that millions of Americans have seen, they ancianita Feb 2021 #26
It's called a non-denial, denial ... aggiesal Feb 2021 #27
It's because he's indefensible. CaptYossarian Feb 2021 #28
republican mental midget club at it's best !!! monkeyman1 Feb 2021 #29
The one silent elephant in the room. marble falls Feb 2021 #30
He did do it and that's why he needs consequences Ohioboy Feb 2021 #31
Trump has already invoked the horrors the defense says will result from conviction. Division, etc. Marcuse Feb 2021 #32
Excellent point! dlk Feb 2021 #33
Brilliant Me. Feb 2021 #36
The defense is . . . Aussie105 Feb 2021 #37
A defense? (Sorry, couldn't resist) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #38
so when he's acquitted by Putin's minions housecat Feb 2021 #39
"He can't be tried while he's a sitting president." BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #40
I love that disgraced 45 is screaming at everyone and angry at his lawyers pandr32 Feb 2021 #41
Exactly. Just endless deflections and bullshit. nt ecstatic Feb 2021 #42
because everyone knows he did it demtenjeep Feb 2021 #43
I'm surprised the GOP hasn't gone the Insanity Defense route yet. badboy67 Feb 2021 #44
What? For whom? Aussie105 Feb 2021 #49
K&R Blue Owl Feb 2021 #46
Wait for it, "If the headdress doesn't fit, you must acquit!" Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #47
I think it's a given that he's guilty. Jetheels Feb 2021 #48
"When both the facts and the law are against you, pound the table" Maeve Feb 2021 #50
It's clear that that the Republican party is destructive in Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2021 #51
The essence of law school... Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #53

madaboutharry

(40,224 posts)
4. It is the "Don't believe what you see with your own eyes" defense.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:18 PM
Feb 2021

All they have is bullshit, so they're going with that.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,251 posts)
5. And the word "cancel". Yes Schoen went there as a reason for this trial.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:21 PM
Feb 2021

He threw the old "cancel culture" defense onto the wall.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
6. He's always the victim.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:22 PM
Feb 2021

Also, they want to create a partisan divide and separate the verdict by Party affiliation.

Cha

(297,733 posts)
7. he is.. the Traitor incited the Deadly
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:22 PM
Feb 2021

Domestic Terrorist Attack on the US Capitol Building. Even some of his cult members admitted it.

LisaM

(27,840 posts)
45. You know what was.weird?
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 02:00 AM
Feb 2021

The way that Castor said he worked at the Capitol 40 years ago and always got lost, and that today he still got lost....which to me is an admission that someone clearly had given some kind of map to the insurgents. By Trump's lawyer!!

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
8. They can't really defend him because there is no defense.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

Instead, they are doing a masterful job of super spinning to let people forget what they saw at the beginning.

COL Mustard

(5,929 posts)
52. They Can't Present A Defense They Know Is False
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 09:20 AM
Feb 2021

So they're distracting and spinning to divert atten......hey, what's that shiny thing over there?????

ooky

(8,930 posts)
9. But right from the beginning they rolled the rioters under the
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

bus. The same rioters Trump told he would meet at the Capitol.

BumRushDaShow

(129,547 posts)
13. He is actually arguing that
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:34 PM
Feb 2021

an Impeachment trial is essentially an "ex post facto" law if it metes out punishment!

JeaneRaye

(402 posts)
15. Finding it hard to listen...
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:39 PM
Feb 2021

I'm obsessing over the thing the second Defense lawyer is doing with his right hand every time he takes a drink of water. He takes a drink with his left hand and his right-hand goes to the top of his head...every time! It's like he's worried his head is going to fall off if he doesn't hold it on when he tips his back. What IS that!! I know trivial of me, isn't it!

leftieNanner

(15,160 posts)
22. Several people have suggested
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:44 PM
Feb 2021

That he is Jewish and is accustomed to wearing a yarmulke. Habit of keeping it on his head when he drinks.

JeaneRaye

(402 posts)
34. Yes. Jewish thing.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 06:39 PM
Feb 2021

Brian Williams just explained it. Said it was a Jewish thing and something to do with not having a Yarmulke on. Man am I glad to get a explanation.. I was fascinated by it!

Clash City Rocker

(3,402 posts)
54. Apparently their heads must be covered when they eat or drink
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 03:27 PM
Feb 2021

He should be wearing a yarmulke or some other headwear, since that would look less weird, but he isn’t, so he uses his hand instead.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
17. They can't defend the indefensible
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:39 PM
Feb 2021

And they can't/won't argue that he didn't do it, because it's clear he did!

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
20. Trump is regarded by many as the Worst President Ever.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:41 PM
Feb 2021


Any attorney who wants to argue against that has his/her work cut out for them.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
26. Even for guys who can't defend the indefensible that millions of Americans have seen, they
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:47 PM
Feb 2021

STILL GIVE DEFENSE A BAD NAME.

Not just disingenuous, but a Bullshit Mountain defense.

aggiesal

(8,929 posts)
27. It's called a non-denial, denial ...
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:48 PM
Feb 2021

They're not denying the allegations, only everything else that doesn't matter.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
28. It's because he's indefensible.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:48 PM
Feb 2021

One thing I did hear was the attorney say something right out of Comedy Writing 101.

Right after he slowly spun around and commented what a diverse group it was in attendance, he listed 2 things everyone had in common.

The two things he listed were prefaced with 1) and B). This is a comedy device used to illustrate what a disorganized brain might utter. It is very "Gilliganesque", and came out of the mouth of a man who has a very important duty (althoughwe already know the outcome) Only a moron like Trump, who knows the best people, would hire a fool like this guy.

Aussie105

(5,437 posts)
37. The defense is . . .
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 07:20 PM
Feb 2021

Oh, play nice!
Trump didn't mean it, but he is old and senile, used the wrong words, and people misunderstood him!
Can't we just forgive and forget, play nice, and let bygones be bygones?
It was just a little coup attempt, and it didn't work, so stop making a fuss already!

Not much of a defense, really.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,162 posts)
38. A defense? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 08:35 PM
Feb 2021

Hey EarlG!

(don't know if I have ever had the pleasure of doing that before)

housecat

(3,121 posts)
39. so when he's acquitted by Putin's minions
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 08:46 PM
Feb 2021

Is there a way to get a federal criminal conviction, or do we have to wait for all of the state courts?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
40. "He can't be tried while he's a sitting president."
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 08:52 PM
Feb 2021

"He can't be impeached while he's no longer in office."

Must be nice to have total immunity and do anything you want without consequence. He won't be convicted, but he sure needs and deserves to be.

pandr32

(11,617 posts)
41. I love that disgraced 45 is screaming at everyone and angry at his lawyers
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:55 PM
Feb 2021

...for taking the only argument of defense he insisted they present and failing to, through some kind of magic, twisting it into a convincing argument that he should be found blameless.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
48. I think it's a given that he's guilty.
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 04:27 AM
Feb 2021

The defense is just theatrics. The trial is more about the Republican Party.
Are they gonna keep their nose up trumps ass or are they gonna unhook it and breathe some fresh air.
Sorry to be so crass.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
51. It's clear that that the Republican party is destructive in
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 09:09 AM
Feb 2021

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every way. They are thoroughly corrupt, and shamelessly dishonest. They have no honor, and no integrity, whatsoever. They are fascists who hate democracy.

It is from this understanding that we need to proceed, in a massive force united against Republican fascism, and send the Republican party into the bottom of the dustbin of history, alongside all the other failed fascist movements that came before.

Next time there is a Presidential Election, it won't be 80,000,000 Dem voters, it will be 100,000,000 or more.

Kid Berwyn

(14,971 posts)
53. The essence of law school...
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 09:25 AM
Feb 2021

“If the facts are against you, argue the law.
If the law is against you, argue the facts.
If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

― Carl Sandburg

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