Very interesting point. trump down to 11 hardcore Senators. Hmmm.

[empedocles]

MSNBC, Morning Joe, NYT Peter Baker, 7:36am.

Senate vote on the rules, was 89-11.

Baker's point was that the Impeachment Trial Rules were fair by 89-11 Senate vote.

11 Senators voted against, not wanting to recognize the trial by any way - those 11 were trump's hardcore base.

[Those 39 Republicons? Hmmmm. Really apart from the 'all republicans are totally evil' attitude, there may be some movement there]

[Baclava]

1. There should be a 100-0 vote for Conviction, then the War Criminal should be arrested for Treason

[empedocles]

2. Treason may come, time rolls on.

[Indykatie]

3. I'm in the Minority But I Actually Think There Will Be Enough GOP Votes to Convict

Mitch is smart is enough to realize the GOP is screwed either way and convicting Trump is the least bad option. Corporate and fat cat donations to the GOP will shrivel if they don't convict. Trump is going to be a loose canon regardless. Better to ditch him now rather than be branded as the party of seditionists and traitors that's owned by Trump.

Besides that Dems have the WH until 2024 and I expect them to gain Senate seats and hold the House. There is no need for Corporate/PAC donations to flow to the GOP if they are in the minority and can't deliver any more tax cuts and judges.

[mucifer]

4. Depends how their BLM riot defense goes. It might sway moderates and indys

[empedocles]

5. I agree with the basic argument, the movement against trump, strengthens.

Not sure about this vote for conviction.

[phylny]

6. It would be worth it

to release themselves from the shackles that comes with their support for Trump.

[mopinko]

10. convicting him is the only way to

get ANY of the stink off. i'm optimistic too. or at least not totally pessimistic.

those old hands that are talking about a new party best be talking to these senators. a vote to convict should be required to get you into their new club.

[yardwork]

7. How many of those 11 have connections to Russia?

[2naSalit]

8. Probably the ones who...

Went to Moscow on July 4th.

[empedocles]

9. putin moneys are a wild card in the trump saga. More to come.