Resentment against Californians bringing their larger housing budgets to other states

[Demovictory9]

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Californians-Are-Coming-So-Is-Their-Housing-15947410.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight

The Californians are coming. So is their housing crisis.
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But there is another factor at play: Californians, fleeing high home prices, are moving to Idaho in droves. For the past several years, Idaho has been one of the fastest-growing states, with the largest share of new residents coming from California. This fact can be illustrated with census data, moving vans — or resentment.


Home prices rose 20% in 2020, according to Zillow, and in Boise, Idaho, “Go Back to California” graffiti has been sprayed along the highways. The last election cycle was a referendum on growth and housing, and included a fringe mayoral candidate who campaigned on a promise to keep Californians out. The dichotomy between growth and its discontents has fused the city’s politics and collective consciousness with a question that city leaders around the country were asking even before the pandemic and remote work trends accelerated relocation: Is it possible to import California’s growth without also importing its housing problems?

“I can’t point to a city that has done it right,” said Lauren McLean, Boise’s Democratic mayor.

That’s because as bad as California’s affordable housing problem is, it isn’t really a California problem. It is a national one. From rising homelessness to anti-development sentiment to frustration among middle-class workers who’ve been locked out of the housing market, the same set of housing issues has bubbled up in cities across the country. They’ve already surfaced in Boise, Denver, Nashville, Tennessee, Austin, Texas, and many other high-growth cities. And they will become even more widespread as remote workers move around.

Housing costs are relative, of course, so anyone leaving Los Angeles or San Francisco will find almost any other city to have a bountiful selection of homes that seem unbelievably large and cheap. But for those tethered to the local economy, the influx of wealthier outsiders pushes housing costs further out of reach.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Californians-Are-Coming-So-Is-Their-Housing-15947410.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight

According to a recent study by Redfin, a national real estate brokerage, the budget for out-of-town homebuyers moving to Boise is 50% higher than locals’ — $738,000 versus $494,000. In Nashville, out-of-towners also have a budget that is 50% higher than locals. In Austin it’s 32%, Denver 26% and Phoenix 23%.

[JI7]

1. This is just Stupid . It is about population and supply and demand .It's not because of Democrats

but I know these idiots just repeat right wing propaganda rather than take basic economics .

Just like how houses became cheap when everyone left in different places .

If they don't like it then maybe they can support certain policies to help deal with this but then they will call it socialism.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. When I lived in Boulder, Colorado, in 1988-1990,

we were somewhat overrrun with Californians. The price of homes doubled very quickly in that time. Alas, we moved away just before that huge increase, and missed out on some serious price appreciation. The home we used to home is currently valued at about 8 times what we paid for it. Sigh. Such a shame we didn't simply keep it as a rental.

[JI7]

3. And maybe they should consider raising the minimum wage

California minimum wage is about 14 but many areas of the state including Los Angeles is 15 dollars an hour. Plus employees in jobs with tips like wait service are also required to get the hourly minimum . So you can imagine how nice that can work out for some people.

In Idaho the minimum is still the national minimum and tipped jobs is about 3 dollars an hour .

BUt I know Right Wingers much prefer to attack certain people rather than look at policy .

[2naSalit]

5. Same in MT...

We are getting over-run with Californians who are buying up properties and it ends up raising rents to unattainable amounts. The thing most aren't realizing is that most of the incoming are not Democrats.

[marlakay]

11. True I have a friend and her daughter

And husband are moving to Idaho because they are Trumpers and want to live in a red state. They are in CA now.

So it also could be republicans in CA don't want to be there.

[JI7]

16. There are a lot more Republicans in California than other states

[vercetti2021]

4. It isn't about housing

They just don't want dem filthy hippy liburuls turning Idaho democratic.

[haele]

7. Most moving to Montana or Idaho are not hippy dippy Dems, though.

They're technocrats or retirees who sold their homes and are able to either work remotely of dabble at "independent living" while not paying California taxes or dealing with all our "socialism".

For example, the other technical lead I work with is Mormon. He's seriously thinking of selling his house in East County San Diego and moving his family to Montana and continue his employment via telework to be closer to most of his kin and to pay less in taxes; the only thing stopping him is that he doesn't want to uproot the three youngest children and his wife works in the medical field and wants to make sure she has a job before they move. He also doesn't trust the internet up there, because he wouldn't be living in those liberal cities up there.

Do I need to say that he probably voted for Darryl Issa this time around?


Haele

[eissa]

10. White flight

Almost weekly, our local paper here in CA's Central Valley posts some article about Californians leaving the state in droves, and it always draws hundreds of comments, mainly from republicans trashing the state and saying how they "can't wait to leave this communist shithole" or other ridiculous diatribes. There are usually countless comments from former residents now living in Idaho (that seems to be the destination of choice for most of them) Texas, or Tennessee lauding the conservative landscape and encouraging other republicans to join them.

[AwakeAtLast]

12. And now those California Texans

Are sitting in their cheaper state without power. That's Capitalism for ya.

[4Q2u2]

6. Free Market pukes

Who don't like it when the free market falls on them.
As stated earlier pay better wages.
Those Californians have accrued their housing wealth from better education, which spawns better wages, then in turn creates better economic opportunities.
The house I grew up in was bought in 1964 by my Father for 16,000. On the market for 800k.
In the City, and walk to North to BC, East to BU or South to Harvard 20 minutes to either school.

[Yavin4]

8. Sometimes that invisible hand of the market...

slaps you in the face.

[GusBob]

9. It's a thing in Montana too

“Montana is full move somewhere else” is a thing

Not just in housing though.

Vacationers hunters fisherman anything outdoors,
there is lots of resentment

The trick to avoid looking like a Californian
don’t wear new trendy western attire
and drive a pickup truck

[2naSalit]

14. I have a bumper sticker popular in my area...

It says, "Montana is FULL, I hear North Dakota is nice."

It's not on my car but in a frame with other B-stickers, but I like the sentiment.

[GusBob]

17. Ha! on the hunting forums

Folks are like: I`m moving to Montana to hunt elk where's a good place to live?

The replies are brutal

My favorite: "Box Elder is nice, check it out" **

Disclaimer Box Elder is the town closest to where I live**

[2naSalit]

21. ...

[TeamPooka]

19. You have a lot of room for condominium development. Each one needs a strip mall with stores.

and so on and so on.
Like the Borg, resistance is futile.

[Hekate]

13. Once upon a time it was Oregon who said they didn't want to be Californicated...

Transplants were warned to re-register their cars right away so they’d have an Oregon plate. Don’t pay asking-price for your house and don’t brag about what a good deal you got. Don’t let people know you bought two or three houses in Oregon (one to live in and two for investment) with your real estate money from California. Don’t tell people right off that you are from California, as it just pisses them off before they have time to discover you’re a nice person.

I can certainly see why people in other states would find the disparity aggravating as hell. But it’s hard to translate the amazement of escaping the intense pressure of large parts of California — where, if you can afford to buy a house at all, chances are you won’t be able to move up because housing prices rose so much in the intervening years.

Good luck, other states. I don’t think Oregon was wrecked by the influx, and you won’t be either.

[hurl]

15. GOP bumper stickers in Texas

"Don't (California) my (Texas)" (using state shapes).

Personally, as a 4th-generation Texan, I'm hoping for some Californication. When we finally do turn blue, any Republican hopes for the presidency will evaporate completely, leaving only a disgusting residue.

[Wounded Bear]

18. Good, maybe they'll dilute that red stain on the map and do some blue...

[TeamPooka]

20. Look at how successful we become in CA that we can buy anything anywhere. Makin it rain across the

USA.
American Dream baby