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Botany

(70,508 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:39 PM Feb 2021

Do you know what Texas would have right now if they had solar?

Electricity.



People who vote republican vote against their own best interests.

BTW solar panel are more efficient at the cooler temperatures that Texas is having now.

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Do you know what Texas would have right now if they had solar? (Original Post) Botany Feb 2021 OP
People who vote Republican actually do vote their own interests. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #1
Well, to be fair Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #2
It doesn't have to be because people live in the woods with no electric lines Maraya1969 Feb 2021 #4
Exactly, Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #15
I couldn't understand why they can't add a physical bypass/lockout switch that allows you to cut kysrsoze Feb 2021 #8
It can be done cojoel Feb 2021 #11
You can, Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #13
More than home solar panels Cirque du So-What Feb 2021 #3
Roof top panels can also be a large part of the grid's power source too. Botany Feb 2021 #7
Never said the weren't Cirque du So-What Feb 2021 #9
The good thing about rooftop solar panels is that they can go directly to the user. Botany Feb 2021 #19
Solar is actually a fast growing industry in Texas dalton99a Feb 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author kysrsoze Feb 2021 #6
I just got a solar powered generator, duforsure Feb 2021 #10
when they are covered in snow they don't generate power cojoel Feb 2021 #12
Those panels tend to "melt out" pdq with any sun Botany Feb 2021 #18
Solar is useless without batteries or natural gas backup. hunter Feb 2021 #14
There are a lot of solar panels on houses here. We're not a bunch of Luddites. n/t Liberal In Texas Feb 2021 #16
Sorry Botany Feb 2021 #17

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,350 posts)
1. People who vote Republican actually do vote their own interests.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:43 PM
Feb 2021

It’s just that the interests aren’t what you think they should be.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
2. Well, to be fair
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:44 PM
Feb 2021

A battery would also be needed. Without one, you still lose power if you have a grid connection (most solar powered houses are still grid-tied) and power goes out. This is a required safety feature.

Maraya1969

(22,480 posts)
4. It doesn't have to be because people live in the woods with no electric lines
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:50 PM
Feb 2021

and power themselves. I think mabey they use batteries.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
15. Exactly,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:00 PM
Feb 2021

that is an "off grid" setup. If you expect power at night and on overcast days, you have to be able to bank power into batteries of some sort. Lead acid is a favorite (cheap, easy to find), but has a lot of downsides (environmentally damaging, dangerous if overcharged, lots of maintenance). Li-Ion are now becoming the de facto standard, being easy to maintain, energy dense, but expensive (though prices continue to fall). You could also use a diesel generator, but then you need a fuel source, and have a tank of flammable liquid near your home, which has to be refilled often.

If you are grid-tied, excess unused power goes to the grid powering your neighbors homes, and the utility company compensates you for the surplus, then you simply draw power at night. If the grid goes down, your solar array must shut off, so as to prevent your power from flowing onto the utility lines, which pose an electrocution risk for unsuspecting linesman.

kysrsoze

(6,021 posts)
8. I couldn't understand why they can't add a physical bypass/lockout switch that allows you to cut
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:52 PM
Feb 2021

yourself off from the grid and use your panels during a blackout. We bought a house which already had solar and were surprised the first time we had an outage. There has to be some similar lockout taking place if you have a battery system like a Tesla wall, or else we would still end up zapping the linemen working on the grid to restore power.

On second thought, perhaps it's because the power can't be reliably maintained at a constant rate, and might damage the electronics and appliances connected to it while off battery/grid power. I guess it makes sense after all.

cojoel

(957 posts)
11. It can be done
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:17 PM
Feb 2021

When it switches back to the grid though, the inverter has to stop inverting for a bit (shutting off power), so when it turns on again the electricity generated can be brought info phase with the grid.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
13. You can,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021

it is a bit pricey. When you put in a generator or Powerwall, the transfer switch is part of the package. You do have to have the electronics to maintain frequency control. When the house is grid tied, it simply syncs to the grid. If the grid is out, the system has to be able to maintain frequency on its own.

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
3. More than home solar panels
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:50 PM
Feb 2021

Texas would benefit from large-scale solar generation. They’ve got the sunny days and open spaces for plants like that.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
7. Roof top panels can also be a large part of the grid's power source too.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:52 PM
Feb 2021

And yes home storage (batteries) are important too.

Response to Botany (Original post)

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
10. I just got a solar powered generator,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:41 PM
Feb 2021

And four panels, and not a moment too soon. Just heard natural gas costs going thru the roof for consumers now. May be looking at going full solar system soon.

cojoel

(957 posts)
12. when they are covered in snow they don't generate power
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:19 PM
Feb 2021

When there is the least bit of heat, however, the snow slides off at a rather high speed. I think it would be possible to add some kind of heating element to provide that melt, but ideally it should only turn on when it is cold, not dark, and there is snow on the panels.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
14. Solar is useless without batteries or natural gas backup.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:58 PM
Feb 2021

Many of my neighbors have grid-tie solar panels on their homes but their lights go out same as everyone else when the grid fails.

Our neighborhood doesn't enjoy the level of affluence where people buy Tesla automobiles and PowerWalls so they can brag about their concern for the environment.

My wife and I have enough solar panels to keep our cell phones and tablets charged in an emergency. Our gas water heaters and space heaters work without external electric sources. We have a few hundred gallons of water stashed away in food grade plastic water barrels.

In this part of California it's big earthquakes we worry about and we are fortunate enough to have the level of wealth that we can make certain preparations. I don't have any trouble filling our pantry with big bags of rice and plenty of canned and dry foods.

Too many people are struggling to simply feed and shelter their families in ordinary times. They don't have any spare change to buy solar panels or water barrels.

If an electric power agency is unable to manage a natural gas powered grid under emergency conditions it's going to have even more trouble managing a solar powered grid.

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