If you watched The Lady and the Dale

[edhopper]

Tucker Carlson's father is a real piece of shit too.

[muntrv]

1. Dick Carlson? How appropriate.

I remember Dick saying that during the trial, he refused to call Geraldine Carmichael by Mrs., refusing to recognize her as a woman. He passed his bigotry to Tucker.

[elleng]

2. Haven't watched it.

Should I?

[edhopper]

3. it is a strange and interesting story

that goes places you don't expect. Watch the first episode and decide from there.

[elleng]

5. Thanks

[SoonerPride]

4. We started tonight and watched episode 1

I like it.

[steelyboo]

6. When they got to that reveal, I literally said out loud to no one "that motherfucker!"

I just thought Dick Carlson was a swarmy asshole for the transphobic garbage he spewed, but then they showed that he shat this turd, and that took him to a whole new level of dickdom.

It was a pretty good show overall, worth the watch. Carmichael was an interesting character.

[JanMichael]

7. How did he go from a failed county campaign to Associate Director of USIA then Dir of VOA then...

...an Ambassador; then CEO of Public Broad Casting????

Did he blow Reagan and Atwater at the same time?

What the hell?

[edhopper]

8. Competence is never an issue

for GOP appointments

[sarcasmo]

15. Failing up.

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[Bradshaw3]

9. Thought it was fascinating

Although a bit of a hagiography for her. It was good insight into a trans person and what they have had to deal with, but she also ripped off a lot of people. Her victims were not included. They saved the Carlson connection till the end. He just persecuted those people. Like asshole father like asshole son.

[JenniferJuniper]

10. I thought the kids were the biggest victims

They don't even have identities.

But there's no arguing that Carmichael was a very fascinating character.

[Bradshaw3]

11. Yes but what was funny was their take on their upbringing

They all seemed to think it was different but still great. At least that was how they came across. They all said she was a great mom. Her workers in the flower business thought a lot of her too. Definitely a multi-faceted person.

[JenniferJuniper]

12. I think we only heard from 2 of the 5?

I'd be surprised if all of them thought all of the moving around in the middle of the night was fun, although there is no question the ones we heard from loved Liz very much.

[Bradshaw3]

14. Good point

There were three missing, as were some of the victims in my mind. I too doubt that they all enjoyed moving around like that. Some did admit that it has hampered them over the years.

[edhopper]

13. I thought they did a good job of showing the good and bad

she was a con artist and in the end did not do what needed to be done for the car, to much hype, not enough engineering. But also suffered being a trans.

They gave enough information to form your own conclusions.

[Bradshaw3]

16. They could have included some of her victims in my mind

Also, as another pointed out, we didn't hear from all of the kids. That point about her being trans was used by the historian to sort of justify her grifting behavior. But she was doing con jobs as a young man. It may have informed her con ability, but I think it goes deeper. So I went back and forth on her character. She definitely was a complex person.

[edhopper]

17. I did not think

they justified her criminal behavior. I thought they showed why her bullshitting doomed the Dale to fail. And she was not on the up and up.

But her whole story, and how people reacted to her being trans was a big part of it.

[Bradshaw3]

18. I didn't say they did

I said the historian sort of did. Which she did and the producers included it. Her cons didn't start or end with the Dale, and that part wasn't just a matter of overblowing it. There was the part where when it all came down when she brought in a suitcase full of investors money and the top people divvied it up. They did not include her victims in the story, except for old newsreel of them banging on the closed doors. You obviously were satisfied with it as a documentary and I wish they would have included more of the negatives. We just disagree.

[edhopper]

19. Okay

I just thought the first episode established she was a con man from the very start.
When they talked about the people putting money down for the Dale, you knew they were not going to get the car or their money back.

[BannonsLiver]

20. I enjoyed it but Carlson's father is a prick and a weirdo

The story is fascinating, though I didn’t quite agree with some of the effusive praise of Carmichael who was a con artist.