Stop taking the bait on Cuomo, please.

[Zoonart]

I live in New York State. Cuomo is most definitely not perfect, but the scalp hunting needs to stop!
He was treading a very difficult line. Unexplained deaths were piling up in nursing homes when there was NO federal help and NO PPE.
As the numbers rose so did an ugly wave of antisemitism, as may if not most nursing home facilities are owned and run by.... wait for it... jews. At the same time there were fears that Lubovic Jews in Muncie, NY and places in the city were endangering the public health by holding public funerals and religious celebrations that brought thousands of Jewish men into the streets.

I live in a very red portion of the state and no doubt there are lots of white supremacists here. In May of 2020, I began to see tee shirts appear on locals reading, Jews killed my grandma, and Coumo killed my grandma.

When will we stop letting the right use our morality to do the dirty work of Drumpf?

Is the takedown of Andrew Cuomo the first volley in Trump's 2024 presidential campaign?

I’m not entirely sure what is going on in NY now, with respect to Andrew Cuomo and the underreporting of Covid-19 deaths in nursing homes, but it smells very much like the start of Donald J. Trump’s campaign for a second term. Trump was livid that Cuomo got such favorable attention for his Covid19 briefings. I regularly watched both Cuomo’s TV briefings and the Trump/Pence briefings and Cuomo’s were winningly engaging and exuded a confident sense of governance, while Trump would have us inject bleach and or Lysol and pop a few hydroxychloroquines. Trump clearly lost that exchange, so now he may be working to unlevel the playing field.

Time will tell if there is a conspiracy here or just a theory of one, but while the MSNM takes pot shots at Cuomo, they are downplaying or just ignoring the fact that the huge US death total — some 500,000 American deaths from Covid-19 — is largely the fault to Donald J. Trump’s failure to support social distancing and mask wearing and basic public health responses to the pandemic.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/18/2016745/-Is-the-takedown-of-Andrew-Cuomo-the-first-volley-in-Trump-s-2024-presidential-campaign

[USALiberal]

1. Did he cover it up or not?? Nt

[Zoonart]

3. I think that has yet to be determined.

I just want Dems to step on the brakes here and not do the dirty work of the right.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. According to the New York AG

he did. And she is a Democrat who doesn’t do dirty work for the right. If we don’t hold Democrats accountable and just claim that any criticism is a partisan attack, then we are no better than republicans.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

10. +1000

[Squinch]

19. But the New York AG is being wildly misrepresented. Her report says that Cuomo did not

report that 3800 hospital deaths were people who came from nursing homes.

There was no underreporting of deaths. The issue is that it was not stated that those deaths were people who came to hospitals from nursing homes.

The impression the reporting is giving and that people are spreading around is very different from that.

[Dem4Life1102]

20. No it is not

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/nyregion/nursing-home-deaths-cuomo.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/us/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19/index.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/28/961637249/investigation-cuomo-team-undercounted-n-y-covid-19-nursing-home-deaths

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/New-York-underreported-COVID-19-nursing-home-15904836.php

Deaths were underreported. If we adopt the same kneejerk "defend our guy" attitude claiming that facts are being misrepresented, then we are no better than republicans who do the same.

[Squinch]

24. No. Deaths were NOT underreported. Nursing home patient deaths were reported as hospital deaths.

Because the deaths actually occurred in the hospital.

The deaths were NOT underreported.

If we adopt every republiQan bait to smear "our guys" with skewed facts, we are patsies.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

27. Yes

That sounds more like misreported or miscategorized.

[Dem4Life1102]

32. Directly from the AG report

Among those findings were that a larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than the New York State Department of Health’s (DOH) published nursing home data reflected and may have been undercounted by as much as 50 percent.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-releases-report-nursing-homes-response-covid-19

Please stop trying to deny reality.

[Squinch]

33. And again, those deaths WERE reported. They simply were not reported as nursing home deaths.

Those patients had been transferred to hospitals and Cuomo counted them as hospital deaths. Letitia concluded they should have been counted as nursing home deaths.

Those deaths were counted. The disagreement was over what column they should have been put in.

[Dem4Life1102]

37. You're playing with semantics

The point is they weren't reported as nursing homes deaths which they should have been. That is misreporting them.

[Squinch]

40. Well, yes. Now we agree. If you agree with Letitia's conclusion that they should have been

reported as nursing home deaths, they were misreported.

But deaths were not underreported, deaths were not hidden.

The fact that the deaths did actually occur in hospitals means it is not that big a stretch to have called them hospital deaths.

I'll let Letitia and Andrew duke it out over which column those deaths should go in, but I certainly don't think it makes Cuomo a bad guy.

[Dem4Life1102]

42. Nursing home deaths were underreported

because they were mischaracterized as hospital deaths. That has been the point of every article I've read on the subject.

[Squinch]

44. Yes. That is my point. The press is giving the impression that deaths were underreported, when

the truth is that all deaths were reported and there is simply a disagreement about how some deaths are characterized.

[Dem4Life1102]

45. Not the impression that I got

Nursing home deaths were underreported because they was mischaracterized as hospital deaths. If anyone is getting the wrong impression, it's because they are not reading the articles correctly.

[Squinch]

46. Whatever. Have a nice day.

[Dem4Life1102]

112. The report was issued by the NY AG

Who is a liberal democrat. It’s not gaslighting from the right.

And my support is not contingent on just having a D next to their name. I’m not a mindless minion. We need to hold ALL our elected officials accountable regardless of party.

[Dem4Life1102]

115. Nope

Members of the Democratic Party are called democrats. That is the right term.

[Dem4Life1102]

117. Thanks

[ADK]

91. But the issue was . . .

the impact on the health and safety of nursing home residents of Cuomo’s directive that no resident of a nursing home could be denied re-admission or admission to the nursing home based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. https://khn.org/news/is-cuomo-directive-to-blame-for-nursing-home-covid-deaths-as-us-official-claims/ In other words, nursing homes had to readmit persons coming from hospitals who could be infected with the virus. https://skillednursingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/03/DOH_COVID19__NHAdmissionsReadmissions__032520_1585166684475_0.pdf

In the wake of that order, the arguable misrepresentation of statistics regarding COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes published by the State Department of Health in its report on COVID-19 in nursing homes (subsequently revised on Feb 2, 2021) is very unfortunate. It certainly looks like Cuomo was trying to deflect criticism for his policy that was generating opposition and criticism statewide.

Beyond that, the alleged threats to Ron Kim, if true, are far worse than any misrepresentation that was made. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/politics/cuomo-ron-kim-nursing-home/index.html.

[Squinch]

34. AND, I daresay that Letitia had no intention of implying that Cuomo was hiding deaths. She

was correcting the record with respect to HOW the deaths should be reported.

And PS: Her report wasn't even about this. The meat of her report has been lost in this tempest. Her report was about how terribly nursing homes responded to Covid and how many of them did not follow accepted infectious disease protocols.

[Dem4Life1102]

38. No but they were misreported

[chowder66]

50. +1

[Zoonart]

21. Exactly this.

Hence my plea to stop taking the bait.

[Dorian Gray]

90. Yes

[Demsrule86]

106. It was a very difficult time...so who cares...he did the best he could...all this carping will

lead to a GOP governor in New York...can't happen you say? How many times was Pataki reelected?

[USALiberal]

108. I'll support him but we need to hold him responsible....

If he was a GOPer we would be throwing a fit!

[Demsrule86]

109. Do that and you will end up with a GOPer...who will do worse.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

2. Sorry

We need constructive criticism at times. Let's not blame everything on a possible Repub smear

[Zoonart]

4. Constructive criticism is not the issue.

This is scalp hunting.

[maxrandb]

11. Well, there is constructive criticism

and then there is Morning Joe interviewing the guy accusing Cuomo of threatening him, one quip where Cuomo denies the guys account and then 10 minutes of the hosts and guests treating what the guy says as gospel

But sure, there's no agenda there.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

13. I'm talking about the NY AG

Is that who said Cuomo threatened him? We may be talking about 2 different things.

[mucifer]

15. You are

[Just_Vote_Dem]

98. Right now I'm taking the side of the NY AG

A DEMOCRAT.

And I don't appreciate your attempt to smear me.
Bye.

[DeminPennswoods]

5. Couple months ago,

The New Yorker magazine did a profile on Andrew Cuomo that was not especially flattering.

[Zoonart]

22. Yes... he is unliked and is a task master so people

don't like his style. So what.

[Squinch]

28. I'm a New Yorker. A few years back he cut a program I worked for that I thought was crucial

to the well being of disabled kids.

I hated him for that. Part of me still does.

But I will not fault him for his handling of Covid. It was an impossible situation and no one could have been a better leader for that problem than he proved to be.

[DeminPennswoods]

47. Link

Story was from back in Oct. Link: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/andrew-cuomo-the-king-of-new-york

[Squinch]

48. OK. So?

[DeminPennswoods]

74. Read it if you want

nt

[Squinch]

77. What is your point? Is there something in there that you think is pertinent to this conversation?

Other than the fact that he can be difficult with his colleagues and enemies, which we all already knew?

[DeminPennswoods]

82. It was an interesting profile

DU'ers other than you might want to read it. Not everyone is familiar with the ins and outs of NY politics or the Cuomo family as you apparently are.

[underpants]

6. This threat thing against Kim looks really bad.

Just saying.

[Squinch]

7. Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick!!!! From another New Yorker.

And we need to be clear: the issue is that he did not report that 3800 Covid hospital deaths are patients who came from nursing homes. THAT IS THE ISSUE THE PRESS IS SPENDING PAGES OF INK ON! Where the patients came from.

Much more ink is being spent on that than on the report that said that 40% of Covid deaths (200,000 people! 200,000 deaths!) were due to the negligence of the person in the White House.

We were hit at a time when no one knew what to do about Covid. It was spreading through NY like wildfire and the death toll was staggering at the time when the CDC was telling us NOT to mask, and saying that if we washed our hands all would be well. At a time when the federal government was denying there was anything wrong.

Cuomo had no help. He navigated us through a very dark time. Yes, he made a mistake. A big mistake, but small in the scheme of the things that were going on at the time. He saved a lot of lives. I won't jump on this astro-turfed bandwagon.

[dsc]

16. to be fair that is a huge issue

the point is he was making nursing homes take patients with COVID long after most if not all states stopped doing so and lots of people died in them. That is a huge problem.

[Squinch]

18. No. This is about the fact that he did not report that 3800 people who died in hospitals had come

from nursing homes. That was the conclusion of the NY AG report that this is all coming from.

His March 2020 directive that nursing homes were not allowed to discriminate against patients who had had Covid was taken straight from CDC guidelines. Yes, in retrospect that was as bad as the CDC guidelines at the time NOT to mask, and their statement that if we all just washed our hands all would be well. But we all believed those for a few weeks to our great detriment too.

The NY directive not to allow covid patients to go back to their nursing homes was instituted a few weeks later in May when it became clear that the CDC guideline was crap.

[chowder66]

52. +1

[liberal_mama]

49. Where should have the nursing home residents with COVID been taken when discharged from hospital?

The nursing home was their home. That's where they lived. If they had family members who were willing and able to care for them, they wouldn't have been in a nursing home to begin with. I'm just trying to understand what other options Cuomo had. I know that some family members did take their loved ones home, but many families didn't have this option. I live in New York. It was a very dark time. In hindsight, better decisions could have been made, but at the time it was pretty crazy.

[dsc]

68. leaving them in the hospital sounds like a good idea

or failing that, test those in nursing homes, have a COVID wing in which only those with COVID are housed and whose workers only work in that wing. But in any case, lying about it, which is what he did is a huge problem.

[Zoonart]

23. Thank you.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. Supposedly the aide withheld nursing home death information because of what Trump might do with it.

Now we can't talk about it because of what Trump might do? Bullshit. That's not what I want my Democrats to do.

[JimGinPA]

12. Seems Like More Dem On Dem Crime

[DAngelo136]

14. I Agree.

Not that I'm a fan of Cuomo's-far from it. He's been a bit of a prick since he was first elected governor.
He's emasculated Mayor DiBlasio and back stabbed progressives in the state. Not exactly "Mr. Popularity" or "Mr. Warmth"
But then, we knew what we were getting.
But on this, you can't blame him for. First of all, 70% of nursing homes are privately owned. Which means they don't HAVE
to report to the state what their fatalities are.

Second, this is a case of butt covering by the State legislature. One of the more dysfunctional in the country. To give you an idea, April 1st is the day when the state budget is supposed to be passed. They've missed it again for 23rd straight year. April Fools!
Now, Cuomo was faced with a real crisis of lack of patient space and hospital beds; there weren't any extras and the bodies were piling up. The legislature gave Cuomo extraordinary powers to deal with the crisis under the law. The same laws that were in place during the Ebola outbreak. The difference being that we had a competent President back then, not a narcissistic, incompetent moron who sandbagged the governors and then punished them for saying he sandbagged them.
Now, even if the numbers weren't accurate, the numbers alone should have triggered the legislative leaders into action. As much as it pains me to say this about the two Black legislative leaders, they dropped the ball and want to blame the QB. The Senate Majority Leader (Andrea Stewart-Cousins) and the Assembly Speaker (Carl Heastie) and the Governor have to make that conference call or that Zoom meeting if that's the case.

Third, this is a NY (Com)Post hit piece. Not once did the paper hit Trump for downplaying the virus even after the Woodward interview but they damn sure want to hang this on Cuomo. So we know it's bullshit. The NY (Com)Post is the paper version of Fox News and you should treat it as such.

[Zoonart]

25. Exactly this.

So he's a prick... so what. This is scalp hunting.

[doc03]

17. The Republicans have been claiming Democrats were inflating the COVID numbers. I have

heard claims Democrats were counting heart attacks, strokes, the flu and every thing else as death from COVID to get
more money. All the Republicans knew a nurse, doctor or mortician that told them that. But now Cuomo gets in trouble
for not counting them.

[Justice]

26. Why only Cuomo? Why not Florida and other states

[Zoonart]

30. Good question.

WE know why.

[chowder66]

54. +1

[JanMichael]

60. Best question so far. While never a fan (he's too middle for me) what about the Florida reporting?

Or non-reporting everything it seems.

The biggest argument against Cuomo is that by reporting the deaths as hospital only, without saying nursing home, people could not make informed decisions for their elderly relatives. As in stay in nursing home or take out and place elsewhere.

In Florida with that scum bag Gov nobody knew period what the true scale of infections or death were. So no informed decision making for anyone making any decisions.

That's a thousands times worse that the hospital/nursing home kerfuffle.

[kcr]

62. Because Florida is a great standard to hold our own to

What a bar to set!

[NewJeffCT]

29. Cuomo put people into nursing homes

but, that was because he was following the guidance of the Trump CDC. Remember, Trump wanted to pretend covid didn't exist and would go away by April of 2020, even though he knew privately how dangerous it was.

25 other states - red ones & blue ones - did similar by putting the sick into nursing homes. Cuomo gets slammed because he's a lot higher profile than other governors & got good publicity for his competent & fact based performances in his daily pressers compared to Trump's daily train wrecks.

Investigate whether he covered up the deaths and/or threatened people involved, but his putting people into nursing homes was the CDC guidance at the time.

[Squinch]

31. Also, the report that this is all based on, the one from Letitia the AG, did NOT say he

covered up deaths. It said that he did not report that 3800 deaths that occurred in hospitals were of patients that came from nursing homes.

The deaths were counted. He counted them as hospital deaths, and the report thought he should have counted them as nursing home deaths.

[frazzled]

35. I never took the Cuomo bait in the first place

and didn’t understand why he became such a darling in the beginning of the pandemic anyway. I’m a realist, and avoid adulating or vilifying any (Democratic) politician.

[Azathoth]

36. "Unexplained deaths"..."anti-semitism"??

Cuomo issued a memorandum to nursing homes that was 1) deliberately worded to sound like it was a binding executive directive, and 2) went far beyond the emergency guidance issued by the CDC. In fact, the memorandum was crafted to prevent nursing homes from being able to cite the CDC guidelines in order to reject covid patients (The CDC guidelines advised nursing homes they should only accept covid-positive patients if they could provide proper levels of isolation, PPE and protection protocols for its staff and other residents. Cuomo used that to justify ordering all NY nursing homes to accept all "medically-stable" patients, and then in a particularly calculated move, he explicitly forbade them from being able to require covid testing prior to admission. That part was unambiguously designed to prevent them from citing the CDC guidines to reject infectious patients they couldn't adequately isolate. Sort of a "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy for a fatal disease.)

Predictably, covid went on to devastate NY nursing homes. The horror there was neither unexplained nor unsurprising, given that the first covid cluster in the US was the Washington nursing home where scores of people died. Cuomo's issued his directive after the country witnessed that tragedy.

Instead of acknowledging any of this, Cuomo was allowed to bluster and steamroll, and outright lie that he was "just following Trump's CDC", until pressure from negative press coverage forced him to retract the directive. If there was any "anti-semitism" about Jewish nursing home owners, it likely originated from Cuomo operatives looking to shift the blame for the tragedy onto the nursing homes that had failed to contain the infections that Cuomo had forced into them.

And then there was the cover-up. Cuomo hid the extent of the damage, and he stonewalled his own party in the legislature. He's now the target of a joint FBI/US Attorney investigation as well as an investigation by his own AG, an achievement worthy of a Trump Republican.

The only reason he got away with this shit for so long was because Trump was actively and willfully destroying the country, and no one wanted to help Trump decapitate one of the administrations that was actually doing something to mitigate the pandemic. But there are thousands of families who lost elderly relatives because of this fuckup and subsequent coverup, and the reckoning is finally arriving.

[kcr]

63. Thank you

The defense is stunning and dismaying.

[Mosby]

85. Yeah, but why?

[jpljr77]

39. That's some weird spin. EVERYONE GETS HELD ACCOUNTABLE, even elected Democrats.

If he covered something up or knowingly falsified anything, he should resign/be removed. If an investigation finds otherwise, he should not. It's really that simple.

[Squinch]

43. The issue here is very different from what is being widely reported.

When NY nursing home covid patients were sent to hospitals and subsequently died in the hospital, Cuomo counted them as hospital deaths.

The NY AG did a report (a very important report whose REAL objective has now been lost bc republiQans seized on a single point and that's all anyone is talking about) about how nursing homes failed to follow correct infectious disease protocols at the beginning of covid. In one paragraph, she says she thinks that those 3800 patients that Cuomo counted as hospital deaths should have been counted as nursing home deaths.

The disagreement between Cuomo and James is about which column those deaths should have been counted in.

The press is making it into a big coverup of deaths and people are believing that Cuomo did not report thousands of deaths.

It's bullshit. Don't fall for it.

[chowder66]

55. +8000

[kcr]

61. They should have been counted as nursing home deaths because

they were nursing home deaths. A misreporting of facts IS a coverup.

[Squinch]

65. They were deaths that occurred in hospitals so they were reported as hospital deaths.

[kcr]

66. So, you're actually claiming the entire thing is made up?

Even though there's a recording admitting they did it?

[Squinch]

67. I'm "claiming" the facts: there were 3800 nursing home residents who caught Covid, were

taken to hospitals and died in the hospital. Cuomo reported these as hospital deaths.

Letitia James, the NY AG, did a VERY IMPORTANT report about how a number of private nursing homes did not follow proper infectious disease protocols during the early months of Covid. That report's real message has been totally eclipsed by the fact that in the report she said she thought the 3800 should have been counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths. That's what the press seized on and have turned into a "scandal."

Cuomo said, "OK," and moved those 3800 deaths from the "hospital" column to the "nursing home" column.

The press went wild and accused Cuomo of covering up nursing home deaths.

Those are the facts. The "scandal" is bullshit.

[kcr]

69. If all if that is true

Then it should be no problem when the FBI and the federal prosecutors conclude the investigation.

I'm sure Cuomo running around and threatening everyone to be quiet was just for funsies.

[Squinch]

70. Did you not look into this to see what was true before you said "he has to go?"

The information is all out there in the open. Why are you saying, "if this is true?"

Don't tell me you just bought the NY Post version of events and ran with that, did you?

[kcr]

75. I'm talking about your claims in the post I responded to

Of which there is nothing I can find. I'm merely explaining that if your claims happened to be true, the investigation will be fine. I would have thought that would have been reassuring to someone who believes those claims. Guess not.

[Squinch]

78. I don't need reassurance. And since you haven't already, you might begin your education by reading

the NY AG's report on nursing homes.

[kcr]

79. You mean the very AG report that landed him in hot water? n/t

[Squinch]

80. Yep.

[kcr]

81. Point out where it says what you claim n/t

[Squinch]

83. Point out where it says he hid death numbers.

[kcr]

84. Okay then

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-releases-report-nursing-homes-response-covid-19

Excerpt:

Among those findings were that a larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than the New York State Department of Health’s (DOH) published nursing home data reflected and may have been undercounted by as much as 50 percent.

A larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than DOH data reflected;

Preliminary data obtained by OAG suggests that many nursing home residents died from COVID-19 in hospitals after being transferred from their nursing homes, which is not reflected in DOH’s published total nursing home death data. Preliminary data also reflects apparent underreporting to DOH by some nursing homes of resident deaths occurring in nursing homes. In fact, the OAG found that nursing home resident deaths appear to be undercounted by DOH by approximately 50 percent.
OAG asked 62 nursing homes (10 percent of the total facilities in New York) for information about on-site and in-hospital deaths from COVID-19. Using the data from these 62 nursing homes, OAG compared: (1) in-facility deaths reported to OAG compared to in-facility deaths publicized by DOH, and (2) total deaths reported to OAG compared to total deaths publicized by DOH.

In one example, a facility reported five confirmed and six presumed COVID-19 deaths at the facility as of August 3 to DOH. However, the facility reported to OAG a total of 27 COVID-19 deaths at the facility and 13 hospital deaths — a discrepancy of 29 deaths.

Given they admitted to fudging it because they didn't want to get in trouble, it's more than damning.

[MichMan]

105. Does the same logic apply to other deaths?

Should deaths caused by gunshots, stabbings, workplace injuries or car accidents be reported as hospital deaths instead of being assigned where the underlying incident occurred?

[kcr]

53. Covering up, then threatening those who call him out on it.

He needs to go.

[Cosmocat]

41. Two words - Al Franken

nm

[cwydro]

59. No comparison. nt

[kcr]

51. Sorry. He needs to be held accountable.

Too bad if you don't like it.

[Zoonart]

56. Uncalled for.

[kcr]

57. Don't care n/t

[Zoonart]

58. Clearly.

[kcr]

64. That's right

Defending Cuomo's actions in this case are beyond the pale.

[Kingofalldems]

71. So what do you want done to him?

[kcr]

73. Well, to start

State lawmakers are reconsidering their decision to grant Cuomo emergency powers to contend with the covid crisis. I'm fully on board with that.

[Iggo]

72. Right after I start. (n/t)

[Hekate]

76. KnR

[Dorian Gray]

89. Nah

His admin covered up the number of deaths. They need to take responsibility for that. Cuomo is being investigated by the DOJ.

He had so much good will that he could have come clean back in the SPring/summer and say that he fucked up. People would have forgiven his admin anything then.

This is all hubris.

He is a problematic man.

As a NYer who was pretty much almost always on team Cuomo over de Blasio, I'm stunned at how angry I am at him right now.

Do not make idols out of politicians. They are humans, and they will disappoint you.

[Polybius]

92. I believe Ron Kim

My Mayor (Bill de Blasio) does too.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/de-blasio-on-cuomo-bullying-allegations-thats-classic-andrew-cuomo/2895771/

[TheFarseer]

93. My RW coworker was saying

That Cuomo had covid positive people move into the nursing homes because, I suppose, they had no where else to put them. Of course they got the elderly residents sick which caused deaths to be higher than average in NY. This sounds untrue or like 1/10 true, but I really had no idea. Does anyone know anything about this?

[Polybius]

94. Here's what Trevor Noah had to say about it (skip to 1:40)

&feature=emb_logo

[moonscape]

95. While I've not delved into all the nuances of

this story, it surely illustrates what happens when one doesn’t have adequate goodwill built up to weather such a storm.

[Stinky The Clown]

96. K&R

[MustLoveBeagles]

97. Thank you

[Vinca]

101. Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get the whole brouhaha. Dead is dead and whether a person

died at the nursing home or in the hospital isn't going to bring them back. A scandal would be Covid patients in dire straits NOT being transferred to the hospital. I saw a couple of brothers on a 10 second visit to Faux News blaming Cuomo to high heaven because their relative died in one place, but - in there opinion - should have been counted as a death in another place. That's not going to bring mom back. It's a number. Cuomo is not Mr. Personality. He can be a pain in the ass. But I don't see any sort of "evil intent" here. His government was swamped with Covid at the time this is alleged to have happened. Refrigerated trucks were holding bodies outside of hospitals. Giant tents were turned into hospitals. I doubt he had much time to mull about where to assign the dead body numbers. In the end, I think we'll find this is a reich wing scheme to take out a potential future candidate.

[kentuck]

102. I have to think there is the possibility that it might have something to do with Trump's problems?

Maybe a distraction of some sort?

There is probably more here than meets the eye?

What better way to get the attention off Trump Org and their investigations than to attack the Governor that they hate?

[Zoonart]

103. AS someone who has followed this closely since the beginning of the pandemic

in my state. I have to agree with you, Kentuck. That's why I opened this can of worms with the op.

[ecstatic]

104. I'm not trying to excuse Cuomo, but what I don't understand

Is how Cuomo is being held accountable when tRump is not. Over 450,000 deaths on tRump's watch. Even the deaths happening now are a consequence of tRump's reckless, criminally negligent policies and irresponsible conspiracy theories.

[brooklynite]

107. There is no "bait": Democrats are leading the investigation and criticism...

Cuomo doesn't get a pass on this.