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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAl Franken had to resign because of a posed photo
But I expect zero Republicans to call on Cruz to resign.
And remember, he also incited insurrection.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)He resigned because of multiple claims of improper behavior, which he partially acknowledged and apoligized for.
Not excusing Cruz, but absolving Franken is pointless.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)and while what he did was wrong and disrespectful, he didn't rape or abuse any of the women who accused him. Others were accused of far worse.
chomper
(113 posts)His improper behavior was just touching someone while taking pictures. Cruz does much worse.
sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)Just sayin'.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)Or did he pose with his hand a foot away from her bulletproof vest? I'm guessing the vest has the same sensual feel as a cinder block.
No assault.
sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)I personally think that inappropriate. And I DO think that's sexual assault.
Good way to avoid getting run out of Congress for doing stupid shit? Don't do stupid shit.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)He apologized to her & she accepted his apology at the time.
Franken resigned when multiple other women came forward with allegations of groping.
George II
(67,782 posts)Polybius
(15,428 posts)Vinca
(50,276 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Silver1
(721 posts)Really pisses me off.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)the photo was staged.
And he never touched her.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)Al got screwed. But he was a Hollywood jokester so there was bound to be toons of staged stuff like this.
I believe the story that killed him though was the behind the scenes story of him groping someone's staffer. I can't remember who's.
The big lesson from all this; never resign. Which appears to be the road Cuomo is taking. Cuomo will likely get re-elected.
sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)It worked for Northam and Fairfax in Virginia
JeaneRaye
(402 posts)His hands were hovering over her breasts but not on them. And it was clearly a joke, maybe not a good one, since he was mugging for the camera.
JeaneRaye
(402 posts)His hands were hovering over her breasts but not on them. And it was clearly a joke, maybe not a good one, since he was mugging for the camera.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)and multiple people have said that the photo was staged and that she was a participant in it.
Juvenile? Yeah.
Sexual assault? No
I'm a woman. I have experienced sexual assault.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Thank God he's out of the Senate, right?
edhopper
(33,584 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/al-franken-jane-mayer-new-yorker-leeann-tweeden.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/al-franken-jane-mayer-new-yorker_n_5d37739fe4b0419fd33475a2
https://www.salon.com/2019/07/22/what-drove-the-new-yorkers-jane-mayer-into-al-franken-denialism/
https://www.themarysue.com/al-franken-is-very-sad/
kcr
(15,317 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He wanted an investigation... but it was effectively denied. The "multiple claims" were concocted, and he knew that he was being railroaded. He could have chosen to demand the investigation he was entitled to, but he fell on his own sword rather than fight and divide and weaken the Democratic party. He's a national treasure and he deserved better treatment. I hope he runs for office again.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)or several hearings. They don't have a group of agents who go out and investigate anything. Plus the hearings are done in private with witness testimony and no cross examination allowed by the person accused. And in the end all that is determined is if Congressional Ethics rules had been violated. Not guilt or innocence of the accused or the veracity of the allegations.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But in the end it was his choice to resign for the good of the party.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He put the party above his own interests... even though the "powers that be" were screwing him over. That was wrong.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)from what I remember.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)edhopper
(33,584 posts)Franken resigned in January, so no, that is not why.
Sorry for the mistake.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Unfortunately Trump, republicans and other small minded people are incapable of admitting making a mistake.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Just ask Ted Cruz.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Heres a list: https://www.gop.gov/about/members/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Mark down this day on the calendar!
Pinch me but did I just read you say the "powers that be" were screwing him over"?
Are you inferring that the Democratic establishment leadership can make mistakes?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)However, with regard to the glee-filled (with an almost giggly "pinch-me'') and loaded statement about people "making mistakes" ... there seems to be an implication being made that I've previously made statements to the contrary, or that by my pointing out the way that Franken was railroaded is somehow contradicting myself. Honestly, I cannot recall ever having made any such declaration about anyone's infallibility.
It's unclear where that line of thinking may have been going. (Unless you had something else in mind.)
Aside from that, your observation that we seldom agree on anything is completely true.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)That was a nice moment.
Thanks for the grammar lesson. You are right there too, I agree again!!!. And actually I was being too diplomatic. It wasn't implied or inferred, it was quite clear..."the "powers that be" were screwing him over".
Sorry, it was just such a shocker, I had to say something.
cheers
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)to resign after only the first accuser (people so often use revisionism to erase all the others) Tweeden came out. It was only after multiple other women came forward (a total of 8) that the tide started to turn over the weeks post-Tweeden.
Although Franken had asked to be allowed to appear before the Senate Ethics Committee to give his side of the story, on December 6 Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told him he had to announce his resignation by five oclock or he could be censured and stripped of committee assignments.
At the end of the day, the ONLY Democratic Senator to say Franken should not resign was Joe Manchin.
ALL the other Democratic senators publicly or privately told him to resign (except for the 4 below, plus Manchin), including his fellow Minnesotan, Klobuchar, and the now VP Kamala Harris, who was the first (minutes after Gillibrand and multiple other Dems called for him to step down on social media and/or their websites) to call for him for him to resign on television.
Link to tweet
The four who did not say anything were:
The 3 members of the Senate Ethics Committee (Chris Coons of Delaware, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, who could not make any statements.)
and
Bob Menendez of New Jersey (at the time facing a federal corruption trial and who refused to weigh in on the matter.)
I am pretty sure those 4, if their situations were different (i.e. if the 3 were not on the Ethics Committee, and if Menendez was not involved in a federal corruption trial), would have joined the calls for Franken to go as well.
Even Senator Klobuchar told him to resign in private and called his resignation the right decision
'The right decision,' Amy Klobuchar, others say of Franken's resignation
https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/07/amy-klobuchar-mark-dayton-others-react-to-al-franken-resignation-announcement/
U.S. SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR
Today Senator Franken acknowledged that he could no longer serve in the Senate and resigned. As he and I discussed yesterday, this is the right decision. Senator Franken has worked for years on behalf of the people of Minnesota and he has been a leader on issues that are fundamental to Americans lives, including education, privacy, healthcare and mental health. He has been a friend to me and to many in our state.
As the women who have come forward to tell their stories across America have made clear, sexual harassment is never acceptable. In every workplace in America, including the U.S. Senate, we must confront the challenges of harassment and misconduct. Nothing is easy or pleasant about this, but we all must recognize that our workplace cultures and the way we treat each other as human beings must change.
For Franni, the Franken family, Senator Frankens friends and supporters in our state, its a very tough day. I want you to know I remain as committed as ever to working together and standing up for people, for common decency, and for our democracy during an incredibly difficult and divisive time in our country. And as we go forward together, we must never forget the words of Senator Paul Wellstone, whom Senator Franken quoted in part today, Politics is not about power. Politics is not about money. Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning. Politics is about the improvement of peoples lives.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/amy-klobuchar-senate-al-franken-minnesota/index.html
"I had condemned his conduct early on when the first allegation was made," she told CNN's Dana Bash on "Inside Politics." "I felt I was in a different role as his colleague, that I'm someone that has worked with him for a long time, there's a lot of trust there, and I felt it was best to handle it in that way."
In a coordinated effort, female Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation in rapid fire Wednesday. Klobuchar did not join in that effort and said in a statement at the time that she spoke with him privately. By Wednesday evening, more than two dozen senators -- including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer -- had called for Franken's resignation.
"I talked to him about the fact that you had reached the situation with the mounting allegations and the fact that there was an ethics investigation going on," Klobuchar told CNN Friday.
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When asked about the ramifications of Franken's decision to resign, which Bash said was "under duress" -- and Klobuchar agreed -- the senator said it's "not about just toppling men." "This is about guaranteeing we will have better workplaces where people treat each other fairly," she responded. "And there is a lot of good men in the workplace. You know some of them. I think the key here will be due process."
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https://www.bizjournals.com/bizwomen/news/latest-news/2017/12/why-democrats-pushed-franken-out.html?page=all
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A contrast is just what Democrats likely want to focus on, according to The Washington Post. Forcing out Franken, along with Rep. John Conyers, shows the party is willing to sacrifice their own in the interest of staking out the higher ground, per The Post.
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar called Franken Wednesday and privately urged him to step down, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. While she plans to uphold Frankens legacy and the work hes done for the state, she thought his speech was short.
I know that he didnt really apologize to the people and that would have been nice, Klobuchar said, per the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20171208145329/https://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-says-franken-s-legacy-will-last-but-adds-he-should-have-apologized/462628583/
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As for the farewell speech itself, Klobuchar said: I thought the speech was short. ... I know that he didnt really apologize to the people and that would have been nice.
I think the bigger deal for me was that he was able to talk ... with a lot of love for our state, what he liked about his job and what he wanted to be his legacy.
That legacy, she said, would include Frankens work on issues like health care and privacy.
But the legacy will also be shadowed by more than half a dozen sexual harassment allegations against Franken. On Wednesday, Klobuchar said, as a seventh accuser came forward and other Senate Democrats began calling for his resignation, she called Franken to privately urge him to do the right thing and step down.
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standingtall
(2,785 posts)And 3 of the 4 accusers who were not anonymous were republicans. The only one that wasn't was Tina Dupay who's complaint was quite trivial he grabbed her waist in photo op. Which is something often done when taking photo's. It is not revisionism. Saying that there are 8 or 9, because there was actually one more anonymous accuser after he resigned. Is just throwing out numbers without context. If we are to be expected to believe there is 8 or 9 credible accusers then we should know the names of all of them. Accusations by anonymous sources carry zero weight.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)the Democratic Senatorial caucus who were serving at that point in history. I focused on the quantitative issues and simply laid out the numbers and the timeline of events.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)I don't believe Franken should not have resigned without these accusations being investigated fully and the Democratic Senators shouldn't have demanded Franken resign without investigating these claims fully for themselves. If it turned there was actually merit and not just agendas behind the accusations then he should've resigned, but we might never know for sure, because after the majority of Democrats in the Senate demanded Franken's resignation it all but made due process an impossibility.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)How so? The FBI doesnt investigate non criminal acts.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)demmiblue
(36,864 posts)He was basically pushed out by our own.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Everyone makes mistakes. When one of our guys or gals make a mistake we need to support them and not just tell thenm to resign immediately.
sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)Whoops! I made a mistake when I grabbed those women...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)I loved Franken, but he fucked up. And people need to stop making excuses for him.
He could have stuck around for his ethics investigation, he chose not to. You can blame the Democratic caucus for it (although usually one woman is the only person blamed) but he could have stuck it out, and maybe he would've gotten a slap on the wrist, maybe not.
You don't know, you just choose to believe he's innocent.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That was disgusting.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)describing anything more than touched on the waist while taking a picture together. Unless you truly believe he told a woman it was his right as an entertainer to kiss her. It's not that the allegations seemed false they never seemed to be serious.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)I don't know if he was truly innocent or not as I wasn't there when it happened.
But I do know that he expressed regret about whatever happened and he didn't have a pattern of doing that to women, and that we shouldn't expect people, even those who do something wrong, to just shrivel up and die or spend their lives in prison for making one or a few mistakes.
The ability to forgive and move on (especially for the 99.999% of people that he didn't supposedly assault) is a much more valuable quality than believing someone should hold that guilt around their necks and never be allowed to atone for their mistakes.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)NOT!!
sweetloukillbot
(11,028 posts)Examples?
DAngelo136
(265 posts)that Congresswoman Katie Hill resigned over some photos also.
See, that's the difference between the Dems and Rethugs: Dems will resign (or force someone to resign) over "optics"; if something doesn't look good-he or she will step down for "the good of the party".
The Rethugs won't resign, no matter how bad it looks or even if the person committed an actual crime. They don't give a s*it how it looks
No matter what it looked like, Al Franken should have been afforded a hearing. But let's be candid certain Senators with ambitions of higher office (I'm talking to YOU, Kirsten Gillibrand) wanted to appear like woke feminists and basically ran Al out of office and nobody raised a peep (I'm talking to YOU, Chuck Schumer).
But not one of them said "boo" when Katie Hill resigned. They all remained silent.
Meanwhile, the Rethugs are solidly behind Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)with a prostitute, he received standing ovations from his party.
They stand behind theirs. We call up the circular firing squad.
That's why ratfucking is so effective against Democrats.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)All of whom called for Franken to resign on the very same day? Were they doing it to further their careers too? Harris did get Frankens high profile seat on the Judiciary committee.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)Department of Justice in the United States, she belonged on the judiciary committee. If she hadn't ran for VP, she should be chairing that committee today.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But there wasnt an available seat until Franken resigned.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)Fleeing to warmer weather seems small in comparison. In a larger context, and compared to the expected norms of a Senator, it is, in fact, a big deal.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)I thought to myself surely there arent still people here defending the railroading of Franken. Not only are there still people doing it, its right out of the gate.
This place never disappoints.
Traildogbob
(8,748 posts)He cant be prosecuted for inciting the resurrection.
Thats the law? Right? He ought to think this through before a real AG indicted his fluffy ass.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)has nothing to do with if he is in the Senate
Traildogbob
(8,748 posts)Based on GQP Argument for Trump insurrection.
Of course it has nothing to do with senate. Or did it as defense for Trump. But.......... he was Acquitted, according to Mitch based on that concept, even though Mitch admitted guilt. Damn?
edhopper
(33,584 posts)it's a long thread
Traildogbob
(8,748 posts)I will shorten em up and use emoji for sarcasm.
Cheers🤜🏼🤛🏼
Azathoth
(4,609 posts)He refused to push back and forcefully rebut the accusations. Instead, he stayed silent and just told everyone to wait for the results of the Senate ethics investigation.
Politics is a combat sport. You don't always win no matter how hard you fight, but you're guaranteed to lose if you don't fight. Franken lay down and got run over.
Cruz won't lie down.
OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)process take its course. It left him with no choice.
Azathoth
(4,609 posts)He didn't defend himself. He just sat there and took the blows until Gillibrand and the rest decided he was a liability.
Had he come out and told his side of the story and forcefully pushed back against the accusations, it would have been harder to steamroll him.
Know what would happen if 38 Republicans turned on Cruz and demanded he resign? He'd laugh at them and call them RINOs, and his popularity would likely surge.
OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)colleagues round on you, there's nothing you can do. It's more a reflection on them than him
Autumn
(45,105 posts)Bettie
(16,110 posts)they will defend each and every one of their number, no matter what they do, to the end.
Our side? Not so much.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)They will admire him.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)edhopper
(33,584 posts)the only reason I did this.
Not to draw a comparison to how Cruz is getting a pass when a Dem Senator had to resign for less.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)What if people talked about not giving him a pass, instead of assuming he'll get one?
edhopper
(33,584 posts)it is the GOP and they are the only ones who count here.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)edhopper
(33,584 posts)let's not talk about the hypocrisy of the GOP.
Why talk about McConnell, or Trump.
Let's just ignore them and let them screw the country.
Good plan.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)It's kind of a losing discussion IMO, and just leads to frustration and defeatism on our part. YMMV.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)Republicans will ask Cruz to resign?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)If people want to be sad that Republicans won't ask him to resign without organizing, that's fine; and if they want to be sad that Republicans won't ask him to resign when Franken resigned, that's also fine, but it seems like a lot of feelings that ultimately don't result in a lot of useful action. As I say, YMMV.