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Al Franken had to resign because of a posed photo (Original Post) edhopper Feb 2021 OP
No, he didn't brooklynite Feb 2021 #1
Not to absolve Franken Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #3
Strongly disagree with you here. chomper Feb 2021 #4
Touching someone inappropriately while they are asleep IS sexual assault sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #8
Did he touch someone while she was sleeping? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2021 #11
I saw a picture of him making grabby hands at a sleeping woman sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #14
He did not resign because of the picture with Leann Tweeden NewJeffCT Feb 2021 #25
She wasn't asleep and he didn't touch her. George II Feb 2021 #90
Definitely not a foot away Polybius Feb 2021 #52
I still bet she's got a signed copy of that photo at home on the wall. Vinca Feb 2021 #62
So does her buddy Sean Hannity. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2021 #83
Wow, I've never seen that photo. Silver1 Feb 2021 #86
She wasn't asleep edhopper Feb 2021 #12
Pretty much Johonny Feb 2021 #21
I'll agree about don't resign sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #31
He didn't touch her. JeaneRaye Feb 2021 #30
He didn't touch her. JeaneRaye Feb 2021 #32
He didn't touch her Bettie Feb 2021 #33
I don't believe he touched her. He foolishly pretended to do so. 11 Bravo Feb 2021 #60
Not that clear edhopper Feb 2021 #6
Just to be fair Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #10
I'll go with the New Yorker n/t kcr Feb 2021 #44
No, he didn't. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #7
But and Ethics Committee investigation is really just a hearing Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #9
Okayyyy... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #15
Maybe so Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #16
To avoid the infighting... not because he was guilty of the manufactured accusations. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #17
And win an election in Alabama Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #19
... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #22
OK I guess we are doing zoo animals now Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #29
LOL! NurseJackie Feb 2021 #40
:-) Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #67
Gotcha! NurseJackie Feb 2021 #68
The election was in December edhopper Feb 2021 #37
Ok Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #39
Mistakes happen. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #84
They do indeed Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #85
Much less even bothering to correct them. The bastards! NurseJackie Feb 2021 #87
Exactly Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #88
Or anyone else who refuses to correct their mistakes and false statements. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #89
Of course not Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #91
They make as much sense as this... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #92
I totally agree with you NJ LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #42
Actually, I've IMPLIED nothing. However, on those occasions when I am "IMPLYING" something... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #47
I think we met once in the Music Appreciation group and agreed. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #50
That's my favorite non-political forum here. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #66
Yes, it was a total of 8, including some Democratic officials, and there were no calls for him Celerity Feb 2021 #48
All but four of the accusers were anonymous standingtall Feb 2021 #51
That is a qualitative question that should be addressed to the entirety (minus the 5 I listed) of Celerity Feb 2021 #53
Fair enough standingtall Feb 2021 #58
+1 Celerity Feb 2021 #59
Investigated fully? Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #69
Yep. GOP circle with wagons to protect their own. DEM's circle with guns and start shooting. Pobeka Feb 2021 #2
He didn't have to... demmiblue Feb 2021 #5
Franken didn't have to resign. That is the difference with our side and theirs and we need to stop. cbdo2007 Feb 2021 #13
Sexual assault is just a mistake... sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #20
Which women? NurseJackie Feb 2021 #23
The ones that accused him? There were several, and one had photo evidence sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #24
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #27
I don't recall any of the accusations... tonedevil Feb 2021 #28
I don't think he was innocent, I just don't think he should have resigned over it. cbdo2007 Feb 2021 #49
It was posed. Many can't see it because they prefer to believe he is an abuser same as Trump. He is katmondoo Feb 2021 #18
Who said he's the same as Trump? sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #26
Lets Not Forget DAngelo136 Feb 2021 #34
And when David Vitter was caught in a diaper Bettie Feb 2021 #36
What about Harris, Warren, Sanders and Booker? Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #41
As the person who ran the 2nd largest Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #55
No disagreement Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #56
When you consider "...he also incited insurrection." BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #35
When I clicked on the OP BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #38
If he resigns Traildogbob Feb 2021 #43
Being criminally prosecuted edhopper Feb 2021 #71
It was sarcasm!!!!🙄 Traildogbob Feb 2021 #77
Sorry edhopper Feb 2021 #78
No worries Traildogbob Feb 2021 #79
Franken resigned because he refused to defend himself Azathoth Feb 2021 #45
That's a lie. 38 of his colleagues ganged up on him, without the decency of allowing the Ethics OnDoutside Feb 2021 #72
No, it's not a lie. It's objective fact. Azathoth Feb 2021 #81
Just cos you say so doesn't make it true. When 38 of your supposed OnDoutside Feb 2021 #82
There will be no Republicans leading a charge against Cruz to make him resign. Autumn Feb 2021 #46
That's not how they work Bettie Feb 2021 #54
They will do more than defend him. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #57
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #61
STG I sometimes think people reference Franken just to get a lot of kicks'n'recs. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #63
Yes edhopper Feb 2021 #64
People talking about how terrible it was to leave Texas got Cruz to come back. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #65
It's not us that will give him the pass edhopper Feb 2021 #70
Then why talk about him? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #73
Sure edhopper Feb 2021 #74
We know they're hypocrites, and we know they don't care that they're hypocrites. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #75
You think edhopper Feb 2021 #76
Nope. So if people want him to resign, they need to organize without Republicans. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #80

brooklynite

(94,591 posts)
1. No, he didn't
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:37 AM
Feb 2021

He resigned because of multiple claims of improper behavior, which he partially acknowledged and apoligized for.

Not excusing Cruz, but absolving Franken is pointless.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
3. Not to absolve Franken
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
Feb 2021

and while what he did was wrong and disrespectful, he didn't rape or abuse any of the women who accused him. Others were accused of far worse.

chomper

(113 posts)
4. Strongly disagree with you here.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:42 AM
Feb 2021

His improper behavior was just touching someone while taking pictures. Cruz does much worse.


JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
11. Did he touch someone while she was sleeping?
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:23 PM
Feb 2021

Or did he pose with his hand a foot away from her bulletproof vest? I'm guessing the vest has the same sensual feel as a cinder block.

No assault.

sweetloukillbot

(11,028 posts)
14. I saw a picture of him making grabby hands at a sleeping woman
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:25 PM
Feb 2021

I personally think that inappropriate. And I DO think that's sexual assault.

Good way to avoid getting run out of Congress for doing stupid shit? Don't do stupid shit.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
25. He did not resign because of the picture with Leann Tweeden
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:58 PM
Feb 2021

He apologized to her & she accepted his apology at the time.

Franken resigned when multiple other women came forward with allegations of groping.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
21. Pretty much
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:51 PM
Feb 2021

Al got screwed. But he was a Hollywood jokester so there was bound to be toons of staged stuff like this.

I believe the story that killed him though was the behind the scenes story of him groping someone's staffer. I can't remember who's.

The big lesson from all this; never resign. Which appears to be the road Cuomo is taking. Cuomo will likely get re-elected.

JeaneRaye

(402 posts)
30. He didn't touch her.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 01:56 PM
Feb 2021

His hands were hovering over her breasts but not on them. And it was clearly a joke, maybe not a good one, since he was mugging for the camera.

JeaneRaye

(402 posts)
32. He didn't touch her.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 01:58 PM
Feb 2021

His hands were hovering over her breasts but not on them. And it was clearly a joke, maybe not a good one, since he was mugging for the camera.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
33. He didn't touch her
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:03 PM
Feb 2021

and multiple people have said that the photo was staged and that she was a participant in it.

Juvenile? Yeah.

Sexual assault? No

I'm a woman. I have experienced sexual assault.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
60. I don't believe he touched her. He foolishly pretended to do so.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:37 PM
Feb 2021

Thank God he's out of the Senate, right?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. No, he didn't.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 11:47 AM
Feb 2021

He wanted an investigation... but it was effectively denied. The "multiple claims" were concocted, and he knew that he was being railroaded. He could have chosen to demand the investigation he was entitled to, but he fell on his own sword rather than fight and divide and weaken the Democratic party. He's a national treasure and he deserved better treatment. I hope he runs for office again.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
9. But and Ethics Committee investigation is really just a hearing
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:13 PM
Feb 2021

or several hearings. They don't have a group of agents who go out and investigate anything. Plus the hearings are done in private with witness testimony and no cross examination allowed by the person accused. And in the end all that is determined is if Congressional Ethics rules had been violated. Not guilt or innocence of the accused or the veracity of the allegations.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Okayyyy...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:29 PM
Feb 2021


And in the end all that is determined is if Congressional Ethics rules had been violated.
And they couldn't even bother give that to him. He was railroaded.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. To avoid the infighting... not because he was guilty of the manufactured accusations.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Feb 2021

He put the party above his own interests... even though the "powers that be" were screwing him over. That was wrong.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
85. They do indeed
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:47 AM
Feb 2021

Unfortunately Trump, republicans and other small minded people are incapable of admitting making a mistake.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
87. Much less even bothering to correct them. The bastards!
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 10:57 AM
Feb 2021
Unfortunately Trump, republicans and other small minded people are incapable of admitting making a mistake.
Much less even bothering to correct them. The bastards!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
89. Or anyone else who refuses to correct their mistakes and false statements.
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 AM
Feb 2021
Just ask Ted Cruz.
He's not the only one.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
42. I totally agree with you NJ
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:23 PM
Feb 2021

Mark down this day on the calendar!

Pinch me but did I just read you say the "powers that be" were screwing him over"?

Are you inferring that the Democratic establishment leadership can make mistakes?



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
47. Actually, I've IMPLIED nothing. However, on those occasions when I am "IMPLYING" something...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 03:00 PM
Feb 2021
Are you inferring that the Democratic establishment leadership can make mistakes?
Actually, I've IMPLIED nothing. However, on those occasions when I am "IMPLYING" something, it's the listener (or reader) who's is the one doing the "INFERRING", not me. Get it?

However, with regard to the glee-filled (with an almost giggly "pinch-me'') and loaded statement about people "making mistakes" ... there seems to be an implication being made that I've previously made statements to the contrary, or that by my pointing out the way that Franken was railroaded is somehow contradicting myself. Honestly, I cannot recall ever having made any such declaration about anyone's infallibility.

It's unclear where that line of thinking may have been going. (Unless you had something else in mind.)

Mark down this day on the calendar!
I frequently agree with individuals that I often disagree with. And by the same token, I sometimes disagree with many that I usually agree with. It keeps things interesting, but it's not such a monumental "event" that I feel the need to memorialize the moment by pointing it out or marking the date on a calendar. It's difficult enough to keep up with birthdays and anniversaries.

Aside from that, your observation that we seldom agree on anything is completely true.



LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
50. I think we met once in the Music Appreciation group and agreed.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 03:44 PM
Feb 2021

That was a nice moment.

Thanks for the grammar lesson. You are right there too, I agree again!!!. And actually I was being too diplomatic. It wasn't implied or inferred, it was quite clear..."the "powers that be" were screwing him over".

Sorry, it was just such a shocker, I had to say something.

cheers

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
48. Yes, it was a total of 8, including some Democratic officials, and there were no calls for him
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 03:04 PM
Feb 2021

to resign after only the first accuser (people so often use revisionism to erase all the others) Tweeden came out. It was only after multiple other women came forward (a total of 8) that the tide started to turn over the weeks post-Tweeden.

Although Franken had asked to be allowed to appear before the Senate Ethics Committee to give his side of the story, on December 6 Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told him he had to announce his resignation by five o’clock or he could be censured and stripped of committee assignments.

At the end of the day, the ONLY Democratic Senator to say Franken should not resign was Joe Manchin.

ALL the other Democratic senators publicly or privately told him to resign (except for the 4 below, plus Manchin), including his fellow Minnesotan, Klobuchar, and the now VP Kamala Harris, who was the first (minutes after Gillibrand and multiple other Dems called for him to step down on social media and/or their websites) to call for him for him to resign on television.






The four who did not say anything were:

The 3 members of the Senate Ethics Committee (Chris Coons of Delaware, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, who could not make any statements.)

and

Bob Menendez of New Jersey (at the time facing a federal corruption trial and who refused to weigh in on the matter.)


I am pretty sure those 4, if their situations were different (i.e. if the 3 were not on the Ethics Committee, and if Menendez was not involved in a federal corruption trial), would have joined the calls for Franken to go as well.


Even Senator Klobuchar told him to resign in private and called his resignation the right decision

'The right decision,' Amy Klobuchar, others say of Franken's resignation

https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/07/amy-klobuchar-mark-dayton-others-react-to-al-franken-resignation-announcement/

U.S. SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR

“Today Senator Franken acknowledged that he could no longer serve in the Senate and resigned. As he and I discussed yesterday, this is the right decision. Senator Franken has worked for years on behalf of the people of Minnesota and he has been a leader on issues that are fundamental to Americans’ lives, including education, privacy, healthcare and mental health. He has been a friend to me and to many in our state.

“As the women who have come forward to tell their stories across America have made clear, sexual harassment is never acceptable. In every workplace in America, including the U.S. Senate, we must confront the challenges of harassment and misconduct. Nothing is easy or pleasant about this, but we all must recognize that our workplace cultures — and the way we treat each other as human beings — must change.

“For Franni, the Franken family, Senator Franken’s friends and supporters in our state, it’s a very tough day. I want you to know I remain as committed as ever to working together and standing up for people, for common decency, and for our democracy during an incredibly difficult and divisive time in our country. And as we go forward together, we must never forget the words of Senator Paul Wellstone, whom Senator Franken quoted in part today, ‘Politics is not about power. Politics is not about money. Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning. Politics is about the improvement of people’s lives.”

snip



https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/amy-klobuchar-senate-al-franken-minnesota/index.html

"I had condemned his conduct early on when the first allegation was made," she told CNN's Dana Bash on "Inside Politics." "I felt I was in a different role as his colleague, that I'm someone that has worked with him for a long time, there's a lot of trust there, and I felt it was best to handle it in that way."

In a coordinated effort, female Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation in rapid fire Wednesday. Klobuchar did not join in that effort and said in a statement at the time that she spoke with him privately. By Wednesday evening, more than two dozen senators -- including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer -- had called for Franken's resignation.

"I talked to him about the fact that you had reached the situation with the mounting allegations and the fact that there was an ethics investigation going on," Klobuchar told CNN Friday.

snip


When asked about the ramifications of Franken's decision to resign, which Bash said was "under duress" -- and Klobuchar agreed -- the senator said it's "not about just toppling men." "This is about guaranteeing we will have better workplaces where people treat each other fairly," she responded. "And there is a lot of good men in the workplace. You know some of them. I think the key here will be due process."

snip


https://www.bizjournals.com/bizwomen/news/latest-news/2017/12/why-democrats-pushed-franken-out.html?page=all

snip

A contrast is just what Democrats likely want to focus on, according to The Washington Post. Forcing out Franken, along with Rep. John Conyers, shows the party is “willing to sacrifice their own in the interest of staking out the higher ground,” per The Post.

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar called Franken Wednesday and privately urged him to step down, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. While she plans to uphold Franken’s legacy and the work he’s done for the state, she thought his speech was “short.”

“I know that he didn’t really apologize to the people and that would have been nice,” Klobuchar said, per the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

snip


https://web.archive.org/web/20171208145329/https://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-says-franken-s-legacy-will-last-but-adds-he-should-have-apologized/462628583/

snip

As for the farewell speech itself, Klobuchar said: “I thought the speech was short. ... I know that he didn’t really apologize to the people and that would have been nice.

“I think the bigger deal for me was that he was able to talk ... with a lot of love for our state, what he liked about his job and what he wanted to be his legacy.”

That legacy, she said, would include Franken’s work on issues like health care and privacy.

But the legacy will also be shadowed by more than half a dozen sexual harassment allegations against Franken. On Wednesday, Klobuchar said, as a seventh accuser came forward and other Senate Democrats began calling for his resignation, she called Franken to privately urge him to do the “right thing” and step down.

snip

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
51. All but four of the accusers were anonymous
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:02 PM
Feb 2021

And 3 of the 4 accusers who were not anonymous were republicans. The only one that wasn't was Tina Dupay who's complaint was quite trivial he grabbed her waist in photo op. Which is something often done when taking photo's. It is not revisionism. Saying that there are 8 or 9, because there was actually one more anonymous accuser after he resigned. Is just throwing out numbers without context. If we are to be expected to believe there is 8 or 9 credible accusers then we should know the names of all of them. Accusations by anonymous sources carry zero weight.

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
53. That is a qualitative question that should be addressed to the entirety (minus the 5 I listed) of
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:15 PM
Feb 2021

the Democratic Senatorial caucus who were serving at that point in history. I focused on the quantitative issues and simply laid out the numbers and the timeline of events.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
58. Fair enough
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:35 PM
Feb 2021

I don't believe Franken should not have resigned without these accusations being investigated fully and the Democratic Senators shouldn't have demanded Franken resign without investigating these claims fully for themselves. If it turned there was actually merit and not just agendas behind the accusations then he should've resigned, but we might never know for sure, because after the majority of Democrats in the Senate demanded Franken's resignation it all but made due process an impossibility.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
13. Franken didn't have to resign. That is the difference with our side and theirs and we need to stop.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:24 PM
Feb 2021

Everyone makes mistakes. When one of our guys or gals make a mistake we need to support them and not just tell thenm to resign immediately.

sweetloukillbot

(11,028 posts)
24. The ones that accused him? There were several, and one had photo evidence
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:57 PM
Feb 2021

I loved Franken, but he fucked up. And people need to stop making excuses for him.
He could have stuck around for his ethics investigation, he chose not to. You can blame the Democratic caucus for it (although usually one woman is the only person blamed) but he could have stuck it out, and maybe he would've gotten a slap on the wrist, maybe not.
You don't know, you just choose to believe he's innocent.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
27. Nobody is doing that.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 01:03 PM
Feb 2021
And people need to stop making excuses for him.
Nobody is doing that.

but he could have stuck it out,
He didn't want to divide the party. Although others were clearly willing to do that in order to promote their own careers... at the expense of an honorable man and at the expense of a united party.

That was disgusting.

You don't know, you just choose to believe he's innocent.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
28. I don't recall any of the accusations...
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 01:05 PM
Feb 2021

describing anything more than touched on the waist while taking a picture together. Unless you truly believe he told a woman it was his right as an entertainer to kiss her. It's not that the allegations seemed false they never seemed to be serious.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
49. I don't think he was innocent, I just don't think he should have resigned over it.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 03:16 PM
Feb 2021

I don't know if he was truly innocent or not as I wasn't there when it happened.

But I do know that he expressed regret about whatever happened and he didn't have a pattern of doing that to women, and that we shouldn't expect people, even those who do something wrong, to just shrivel up and die or spend their lives in prison for making one or a few mistakes.

The ability to forgive and move on (especially for the 99.999% of people that he didn't supposedly assault) is a much more valuable quality than believing someone should hold that guilt around their necks and never be allowed to atone for their mistakes.

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
18. It was posed. Many can't see it because they prefer to believe he is an abuser same as Trump. He is
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 12:43 PM
Feb 2021

NOT!!

DAngelo136

(265 posts)
34. Lets Not Forget
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:06 PM
Feb 2021

that Congresswoman Katie Hill resigned over some photos also.
See, that's the difference between the Dems and Rethugs: Dems will resign (or force someone to resign) over "optics"; if something doesn't look good-he or she will step down for "the good of the party".
The Rethugs won't resign, no matter how bad it looks or even if the person committed an actual crime. They don't give a s*it how it looks
No matter what it looked like, Al Franken should have been afforded a hearing. But let's be candid certain Senators with ambitions of higher office (I'm talking to YOU, Kirsten Gillibrand) wanted to appear like woke feminists and basically ran Al out of office and nobody raised a peep (I'm talking to YOU, Chuck Schumer).
But not one of them said "boo" when Katie Hill resigned. They all remained silent.
Meanwhile, the Rethugs are solidly behind Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
36. And when David Vitter was caught in a diaper
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:10 PM
Feb 2021

with a prostitute, he received standing ovations from his party.

They stand behind theirs. We call up the circular firing squad.

That's why ratfucking is so effective against Democrats.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
41. What about Harris, Warren, Sanders and Booker?
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:18 PM
Feb 2021

All of whom called for Franken to resign on the very same day? Were they doing it to further their careers too? Harris did get Franken’s high profile seat on the Judiciary committee.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
55. As the person who ran the 2nd largest
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:18 PM
Feb 2021

Department of Justice in the United States, she belonged on the judiciary committee. If she hadn't ran for VP, she should be chairing that committee today.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
35. When you consider "...he also incited insurrection."
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:07 PM
Feb 2021

Fleeing to warmer weather seems small in comparison. In a larger context, and compared to the expected norms of a Senator, it is, in fact, a big deal.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
38. When I clicked on the OP
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:10 PM
Feb 2021

I thought to myself surely there aren’t still people here defending the railroading of Franken. Not only are there still people doing it, it’s right out of the gate.

This place never disappoints.

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
43. If he resigns
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:25 PM
Feb 2021

He can’t be prosecuted for inciting the resurrection.
That’s the law? Right? He ought to think this through before a real AG indicted his fluffy ass.

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
77. It was sarcasm!!!!🙄
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:22 PM
Feb 2021

Based on GQP Argument for Trump insurrection.
Of course it has nothing to do with senate. Or did it as defense for Trump. But.......... he was Acquitted, according to Mitch based on that concept, even though Mitch admitted guilt. Damn?

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
45. Franken resigned because he refused to defend himself
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 02:32 PM
Feb 2021

He refused to push back and forcefully rebut the accusations. Instead, he stayed silent and just told everyone to wait for the results of the Senate ethics investigation.

Politics is a combat sport. You don't always win no matter how hard you fight, but you're guaranteed to lose if you don't fight. Franken lay down and got run over.

Cruz won't lie down.

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)
72. That's a lie. 38 of his colleagues ganged up on him, without the decency of allowing the Ethics
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:54 PM
Feb 2021

process take its course. It left him with no choice.

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
81. No, it's not a lie. It's objective fact.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:28 PM
Feb 2021

He didn't defend himself. He just sat there and took the blows until Gillibrand and the rest decided he was a liability.

Had he come out and told his side of the story and forcefully pushed back against the accusations, it would have been harder to steamroll him.

Know what would happen if 38 Republicans turned on Cruz and demanded he resign? He'd laugh at them and call them RINOs, and his popularity would likely surge.

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)
82. Just cos you say so doesn't make it true. When 38 of your supposed
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 08:55 PM
Feb 2021

colleagues round on you, there's nothing you can do. It's more a reflection on them than him

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
54. That's not how they work
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 04:17 PM
Feb 2021

they will defend each and every one of their number, no matter what they do, to the end.

Our side? Not so much.

Response to edhopper (Original post)

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
64. Yes
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:38 PM
Feb 2021

the only reason I did this.

Not to draw a comparison to how Cruz is getting a pass when a Dem Senator had to resign for less.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
65. People talking about how terrible it was to leave Texas got Cruz to come back.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 05:40 PM
Feb 2021

What if people talked about not giving him a pass, instead of assuming he'll get one?

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
74. Sure
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:05 PM
Feb 2021

let's not talk about the hypocrisy of the GOP.

Why talk about McConnell, or Trump.

Let's just ignore them and let them screw the country.

Good plan.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
75. We know they're hypocrites, and we know they don't care that they're hypocrites.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:08 PM
Feb 2021

It's kind of a losing discussion IMO, and just leads to frustration and defeatism on our part. YMMV.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,356 posts)
80. Nope. So if people want him to resign, they need to organize without Republicans.
Fri Feb 19, 2021, 06:34 PM
Feb 2021

If people want to be sad that Republicans won't ask him to resign without organizing, that's fine; and if they want to be sad that Republicans won't ask him to resign when Franken resigned, that's also fine, but it seems like a lot of feelings that ultimately don't result in a lot of useful action. As I say, YMMV.

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