Can we stop calling an attempted coup a riot

[malaise]

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It was a well planned insurrection

From JHB's cartoon thread
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215152036

[Hermit-The-Prog]

1. Exactly. Riots are spontaneous eruptions of mob violence. This was planned and directed at Congress.

[malaise]

3. And it is ongoing

Trump still thinks he's president

[Hermit-The-Prog]

5. trump's pet slugs keep slithering back and forth between D.C. and his Florida lair.

Rotten Johnson, the Squirrel-Riding-Rand-Paul, Grovelling Graham, and CanCoupCruz are keeping the Big Lie going or providing cover for the failed insurrection. Even PoodlePence is coming out again.

The next attack could very well be in planning stage.

[malaise]

6. You have a gift

Rotten Johnson, the Squirrel-Riding-Rand-Paul, Grovelling Graham, and CanCoupCruz

[Hermit-The-Prog]

7. Hey, it's not my fault the Squirrel chose the wrong vehicle!

Squirrels around here all know Rand Paul is worse than a lemon -- ya can't fix stupid.

[katmondoo]

2. Yes it certainly was. Trump planned and executed it.

[malaise]

4. Johnson's comments are all we need to know that

this is ongoing

[Turin_C3PO]

9. What did Johnson say?

I missed it.

[SunSeeker]

25. That the rioters were "fake" Trump supporters.

He's basically peddling conspiracy theories to cover up who was responsible for the Jan. 6 attack. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-ron-johnson-reads-deranged-federalist-article-on-antifa-into-record-during-capitol-riot-hearing

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Yes, I agree with that

He's too smug, too sure of himself, too public to be doing anything other than signalling the faithful. The oligarchs are plotting. They are viewing Biden as in interlude.

Hope Merrick Garland as AG will be flexing any and all espionage powers he can muster.

[Evolve Dammit]

8. Agree. This was orchestrated since the election.

[malaise]

12. I disagree - he said if he lost it would have been rigged - he's been

planning this from before he lost It was his goons who attacked state legislatures and some were charged for plotting to kidnap and kill Governor Whitmore. And then there are several clips with him talking about three terms and more. This is just one clip and a good Rolling Stone article.

Trump really believed he'd be president for life - by any means necessary.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-third-term-because-they-spied-on-him-1045743/

[Evolve Dammit]

46. I agree that he covered himself either way. I meant the specifics of that exact day (certification)

CPAC is going to be another rallying cry. He ain't done, but sees it as "only a beginning." C'mon SDNY.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. There hasn't been an insurrection of this magnitude in a major power

since November, 1917.

So yes, label it as an insurrection, a thread-the-needle organized effort to seize power while others are immobilized.

In other words, a COUP D'ETAT!

[malaise]

13. Correct

[djacq]

14. Can we stop calling Republicans, Republicans... They're the Party of Facism.

[malaise]

15. I never call them that - they are ReTHUGs

THUGs in name and nature

[csziggy]

43. I've been calling them RepuQs

To match their association with Q-Anon.

[malaise]

44. Love that one

[OldBaldy1701E]

16. I agree but

we need to remind any and every person in this country exactly who is the party that is okay with this insurrection, this racism, this classism... we need to make sure they all know who it was that allowed radicals and supremacists to flourish.

[MrModerate]

17. It was Trumpian in its planning:

"First we seize the Capitol, and then…I dunno…hang somebody? Take a dump? Beat up a cop?"

[malaise]

19. and most importantly

FAIL

[Solomon]

24. Ha!

[Maeve]

18. Planned insurrection, yes. Well planned? Matter of opinion

Invade the Capitol, maybe take hostages or kill someone then...go back to the hotel for a beer? Not the best plans.
But yes, stop calling it a riot--it was more serious than that.

[malaise]

20. The only good news is that they are incompetent fools

[Maeve]

31. And that is the scary part...what if they WERE competent?

[malaise]

32. You are 100& correct which is why punishment

must be severe

[Maeve]

38. We are on the same page! Not that this is unusual...

[malaise]

39. Back at yah

[Botany]

21. Trump helped to pay for the riot

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215150469 Trump campaign paid millions to Jan. 6 Capitol riot

Trump also gave the day, the date, the time and the place for the riot.

Trump decapitated the D.C. National Guard so they could not respond to the violence.

[In_The_Wind]

22. Trump should pay with time in jail: lives were lost.

[Botany]

26. I don't know if Trump will ever have to pay for his crimes as per his 1/6/21 riot/insurrection

The GOP Senators gave him a pass at his senate trial and he might have cleared himself
of any federal crimes with a self pardon. Now maybe he can be charged with a D.C. crime
but I don't know.

[csziggy]

45. Just like Al Capone, I suspect they will get him on tax evasion

Both in New York State and with the feds. Then his entire house of cards will come down. That's OK by me. My wish back in 2016 was that he would destroy his name brand and the RepuQ Party. I think it's coming true!

[WarGamer]

47. Why didn't they get him prior to 2021?

or 2011, 2001, 1991, 1981??

[csziggy]

49. I have no idea - ask the IRS

Maybe the IRS wasn't able to put together a case by 2017 even though supposedly they had been auditing him since 2011. Then of course, there's the policy to not indict sitting presidents - which I think is bullshit, but oh, well.

The New York case that has opened his tax returns has part of their theory that he has used different figures for his state returns than he did on his federal returns. If that is true, he has been lying to one of those governments, and is liable to prosecution on that basis.

And of course, much more about his business practices has come out while he was in office so that leaves him open to prosecution on those items.

Of course, I am not a lawyer or an accountant or an IRS agent, so all of this is just my opinion.

[malaise]

33. Thanks

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

23. This is bugging me too. The MSM's redwashing of the insurrection

by calling it a riot is obvious. So sick of fascists and their psyqhotic feelinQs being appeased.

[Kaleva]

27. "well planned"? It had no chance of success. It was a cluster fuck on their part.

These people aren't members of Mensa led by a 3D grandmaster chess player. They operate in a fantasy world and thus are incapable of conceiving a plan or plans that have any chance of succeeding.

One may consider it to be a brilliant plan if the goal was to go home, wait to get arrested and face possible decades in prison.

[malaise]

30. True but they thought it was well planned

That's why Trump couldn't understand why others weren't celebrating as they watched with him. He really thought he'd pull it off. That's why he loved his good people.

We know they are fucking incompetents

[Kaleva]

34. They are quite capable of mayhem but their primary goal, IMHO, will always be out of reach

[malaise]

35. The institutions are strong but reforms are needed

He got away with way too much abusing DOJ and controlling ReTHUGs

[Kaleva]

37. +1

[Bettie]

28. And while we're at that

can we stop calling them "Militias" and call them what they are: domestic terrorists? Criminal gangs?

[malaise]

36. +1,000

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. 1/6 was an attempted coup

[WarGamer]

48. Similar to what happened in Myanmar or Turkey?

[kentuck]

40. Good point!

They are in the process of doing everything they can do to minimize the dastardly act.

[struggle4progress]

41. What will matter long term is whether we can accurately provide a comprehensible

and factual summary of key details about the event.

We need to keep a focus on facts, because the facts educate people; and because an organized presentation of facts will lead people to apprpriate conclusions.

Terminology will not persuade the unconvinced

[Baltimike]

42. knr