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I am tired of the 9-11 intelligence failure run around.
This is bs.
Someone "in authority" should be able to say the obvious.
Sure we will have more hearings, and more theatre, but the narrative is being lost.
The attack was planned, and the undefended capitol was also planned.
Period.
Now someone just say it.
Let the cowards in the media chew on that.
choie
(4,111 posts)n/t
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but googling would probably turn up the first time it appeared in print.
It is an accusation, of course, until proven by investigation and confirmed in a court of law. The media know what they can responsibly and ethically say and what they cannot. And authorities choose their words carefully for very good reasons, not just ethical ones, but to avoid hurting their own case and giving ammunition to the enemy.
Walleye
(31,032 posts)The Republicans have been beating that to death as if its our fault as of we overreacted to the violent armed clearing of the peaceful demonstration in the summer. Sick and tired of their whining and blaming everything us. Shouldnt the park police have been involved in this?
Kyblue1
(216 posts)I am fairly sure he is the one who ordered the national guard to stand down
niyad
(113,490 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)nothing was said that would offend their dear leader.
Irish_Dem
(47,184 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)How long does it take to get those made, and distributed in various ways?
THEY PLANNED AHEAD FOR CIVIL WAR.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Some people in my area, and my trumphumper relatives have made these comments since late 2017. The day the Capitol was stormed, my sister commented that the "patriots" have finally had enough. I was quick to point out that the people who stormed the capitol declared war on the United States. Things get very quiet very quickly, and my family members have unfriended me, like that will hurt my feelings. It was pre-planned!
jaxexpat
(6,841 posts)poli-junkie
(1,004 posts)malaise
(269,103 posts)Rec
Butterflylady
(3,546 posts)It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out. All those jokers that were replaced after the election in the pentagon, the ones that had no clue what they were doing. You don't replace experienced people when there is only a month or so left in the administration do you?
Of course you don't, unless there was a goal in mind and trump certainly had one.
wnylib
(21,550 posts)of silence from the orange menace after the Saturday when the election was declared?
He was huddled with his circle planning the insurrection. I am sure of it.
PaulnFortWorth
(59 posts)The request for the national guard came at 1:09 but the dispatch didn't occur until 2:01.
What were they doing after the emergency call came in? Watching TV. It was covered live by all the major networks. At 2pm they decided the insurrection was going to fail because Pence and the rest of congress were safe. Only then did the national guard get dispatched to the capital.
The appointed trumpanzees needed to make sure tRump's mob wasn't going to kill off most members of congress.
The pentagon appointees were accessories to insurrection.
lindysalsagal
(20,713 posts)THAT coverup is the even bigger crime.
Oldem
(833 posts)a thin blue line, or at least those of them who weren't complicit, had to face murderous thousands. Some died. If the capitol had been utterly undefended, elected official would have died. But officer Sicknick had to die. Others had to die or be maimed. Officer Goodman had to be a hero. If the place had been undefended, it would all have been too obvious. Instead, people were sacrificed. This is gross treachery, and we'll probably never get to the bottom of it.
oldsoftie
(12,577 posts)No, I dont think it was planned. They just didnt think they would cause any serious trouble & when they did they werent ready.
If they'd shot the first 5-6 through the doors it would've been stopped before it got started.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)He was glued to the TV while this was playing out; mesmerized by some accounts. His mob wouldn't have gotten in had the national guard been there (as they should have been, as they were when BLM was outside the WH).
All he wanted was chaos, and he got it. I guarantee that he doesn't think this made him look bad at all.
yuiyoshida
(41,833 posts)the Government in order to turn this country into another North Korea. Trump wanted to be Kinged, and the Republican party would allow it, had the Coup actually worked. They are still trying to disenfranchise voters of color.
Alpeduez21
(1,754 posts)The value that Republicans place on white supremacy is glossed over too blithely. Racism is what got Trump elected and racism is what continues to fuel the republicans. Sure Biden is a white guy but them dems love them some minorities. Never forgive and never forget what requkes want for America
yuiyoshida
(41,833 posts)Always found a way to get a get out of jail card for far, far too long. If Trump doesnt go to prison for any or all his deeds then Justice will never be true or fair for anyone.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Blue Owl
(50,454 posts)He may not have known exactly what would happen, but I'm sure he expected chaos and violence, as he thrives on that. Also he made too many changes at the Pentagon after the election to be random. It was planned and I think Trump was thrilled to see that it actually surpassed his wildest expectations. He is an absolute monster.
ashredux
(2,606 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)We back you, cause youre correct.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)We pay hundreds of billions in tax dollars a year for our protection, our military. Where were they? Why wasnt 45 evacuated? The Capital building was overrun by some yokels from Michigan. How the hell did that happen? Officials died! The FBI sent an email? Really?
Follow the money...45.
IronLionZion
(45,474 posts)We all saw it. Trump's people in the pentagon and law enforcement chose not to send backup and didn't allow DC, VA, or MD national guard units or DC's MPD units into the Capitol area until the very end. They were refused authorization on purpose by the Trump administration.
Joinfortmill
(14,445 posts)dchill
(38,512 posts)PatSeg
(47,547 posts)as that could be seen as irresponsible. They could just phrase it as a question, "With all the evidence available, does it seem like the Capitol was left undefended intentionally?" That would open up discussion and debate. There is treason afoot in DC and it must be addressed.
Evolve Dammit
(16,750 posts)Takket
(21,600 posts)i remember reading on line from media members that had covered washington that they saw way more police presence for much smaller marches and protests. A capitol police officer was murdered by insurrectionists because the officers were hung out to dry. They deserve and explanation as to why. So does the rest of America.
ybbor
(1,555 posts)No doubt
BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)to ruin the narrative and provide a false comparison. Typical.
AllaN01Bear
(18,307 posts)Paladin
(28,267 posts)PatSeg
(47,547 posts)We came very close to losing many more lives. Once a mob gets the taste of blood, it tends to snowball.
apnu
(8,758 posts)I think many pols dont want to say it because it opens some inconvenient truths and pols are usually cowards who cant get a job anywhere else.
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brooklynite
(94,657 posts)Its a serious charge, and you should be able to identify someone and show proof.
(No - The Capitol is not the responsibility of the executive Dept, and the Capitol Police were, at the time, jointly under the control of Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader McConnell.)
triron
(22,008 posts)brooklynite
(94,657 posts)...I'm still waiting for a name.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,024 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,024 posts)Smoking gun: The orders from Miller to the DC National Guard for January 6 included in linked article is a must read. The DC guard were allowed no helmets, no body armor, no weapons. They were not allowed to stop or arrest protesters. Letter orders no interference with rioters
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142681657
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215008839
Link to tweet
The commander of the D.C. National Guard said the Pentagon restricted his authority ahead of the riot at the U.S. Capitol, requiring higher level sign-off to respond that cost time as the events that day spiraled out of control.
Don't forget tRump fired Esper Nov 9 when it was clear that he wasn't going to win the vote counts. He installed his toady Chris Miller and appointed civilians like Cory Lewandowski and Broady to the civilian oversight board that gummed things up.
Mike Niendorff
(3,462 posts)It wasn't an "intelligence failure", it was criminal complicity.
MDN
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)triron
(22,008 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,024 posts)Example: NBC News
Link to tweet
Reporter at NBC News
@BrandyZadrozny
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Jan 5
New from me and @oneunderscore__
Radical conservatives and far-right activists are flooding online platforms with threats and expectations of violence for tomorrow's rally against congressional certification of the election. Extremism experts are worried.
Violent threats ripple through far-right internet forums ahead of protest
In anticipation of possible violence, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser has asked residents to stay away from the downtown area where protesters will be marching.
nbcnews.com
seta1950
(933 posts)BarbD
(1,193 posts)But, every relevant Congressional Committee should investigate.
I must admit to being rather naive in never considering a coup attempt. However, watching these thugs storm the Capitol on January 6th, and then simply walk away while remembering the over the top reaction to BLM protests, I was in a state of disbelief.
We have a long way to go before we can have any semblance of order.
Now, even this 83 year old great grandmother has come to the obvious conclusion that January 6th was well planned with many in power complicit. The only reason it didn't succeed is that the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, QAnon etc. were not up to the task.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)reports indicated to my peanut brain that this was a coordinated effort. Or non-effort, if you will.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)How could anyone looking at the plans and procedures NOT say "Gee. I just had a thought. What if something goes wrong""
The security protocols and surrounding planning and execution of same all STINK. As in "something is rotten," not merely "that worked out badly." Not "lesson learned - won't get caught short like that again."
ecstatic
(32,720 posts)to fully accept how much of a POS trump is.
Let it absorb, dammit: He wanted to take out Pence and Pelosi, but he wouldn't have given a shit if ALL of them died that day. That includes his bootlickers (Cruz, Hawley, McCarthy, etc). If they ended up collateral damage, he wouldn't have cared.
As he told McCarthy on the phone that day (after he was told that Pence had been taken): Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are...
Let it sink in, then lock the traitorous M-F up, NOW!