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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Tiger Woods crash leads to review of road" He was on his way to a film shoot on a known bad road
The road looks fine, but its not.
I am not a golfer. I am not a Tiger Woods fan. I was really irritated at MSNBCs decision to run 4+ hours of coverage that amounted to repeating the same 20 minutes of info we heard in the first 20 minutes.
That said The insistence that he was drunk or doped, that he had to be going 100mph, that he was running late because hed been banging a waitress... that was all here at a liberal discussion board. Immediately. Now dropped for Lady Gagas kidnapped dogs and almost-murdered dogwalker.
So I just want to add this here from an actual newspaper, today. Please read.
https://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/latimes/default.aspx?edid=82fe7e30-0fab-4f22-85d4-4c2a3e183800
For decades, residents on the Palos Verdes Peninsula have known that the steep, curving stretch of Hawthorne Boulevard heading into the Los Angeles Basin was a danger zone.
Numerous crashes dating from the 1970s including one in which an out-of-control truck hit a car, burning three occupants to death sparked debates about how to make the essential thoroughfare in and out of the tony coastal area safer.
People speed down the road all the time. It is kind of an optical illusion, and it doesnt seem like that huge a grade, but it is, said Keith Swensson, a retired Los Angeles County sheriffs commander who lives in Rancho Palos Verdes.
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Nothing in the sequence of events points to reckless driving or any other crime, (Sheriff) Villanueva said. Even if the cause was distracted driving, that would be an infraction, not a crime, he said.
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The descent of the hill is routine for many commuters but can be treacherous even for those familiar with the road.
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On Hawthorne today, signs warn trucks to use lower gears, and an emergency turnout occupies the right shoulder toward the bottom of the hill.
Villanueva noted that it is easy for drivers to go faster than the 45 mph speed limit if they are not careful.
In this stretch of road, going downhill on a curve, even if youre not accelerating, just by gravity alone, youre going to start going faster, he said.
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(Woods) stayed in the L.A. area after hosting the Genesis Invitational and was on his way to the Rolling Hills Country Club on Tuesday morning for a film shoot after spending the night at the Terranea Resort in Rancho Palos Verdes, said a source familiar with the investigation.
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Shortly after Woods crashed Tuesday morning, yet another collision occurred on Hawthorne.
PJMcK
(22,040 posts)On every point.
Tiger was accused on DU of being drunk. The accident occurred at 7:00 in the morning. He wasn't drunk and the officers who rescued him didn't suspect he was impaired.
Tiger wasn't having a sexual encounter before the accident but someone here made that unfounded allegation. What would provoke such a thoughtless and hurtful expression?
Tiger wasn't going 100 mph. I've driven that road and if you're going more than 35 mph, you'll lose control. But let's assume he was racing his entitled ass through the neighborhood. Without any evidence.
Thanks for posting some facts instead of the angry and erroneous opinions and snark some people here felt the need to express.
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)seem to have no problem posting their own, many of them based in nothing other than stuff they made up on the spot.
Some of the posts here were abysmal.
One of the "100 mph" posts defended the post by claiming that the police have clocked people (not Tiger) doing 80 mph on that road.
Ignoring, for a moment, the fact that 80 mph isn't 100 mph, one of those things has nothing to do with the other. If that's someone's idea of "proof", they need to reevaluate their critical thinking skills.
onenote
(42,737 posts)based on photos and some classes in "forensic science" they took years ago.
Absurd.
msongs
(67,433 posts)brush
(53,815 posts)There have been many accidents on that stretch of road. Maybe it's be made safer now that a famous person's accident bought it into the national spotlight.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Not so in America.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...than all of the ire on the dude who crashed his car and shattered his leg.
Raine
(30,540 posts)it's awful stretch. You have to ride your breaks all the way down otherwise you can end up barreling down that hill at an excessive speed when you don't intend to.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)with no "review." Sad that it takes a celebrity wreck to get some attention to the problem.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Going North on Hawthorne from the Blackhorse Road intersection, there is a clear 45 mph speed limit sign maybe 150 feet from the intersection.
About a hundred yards beyond the speed sign is a large, orange warning sign saying "Runaway Truck Ramp 1/2 Mile".
Just beyond that is another orange warning sign consisting of a diamond sign with a steep hill graphic above a rectangular sign saying "Trucks Use Lower Gear".
After that is a white regulation sign saying "Trucks Use Right Lane".
Tiger lost control before he got to the place where the escape lane for runaway trucks begins.
Although his SUV is a 5000 pound vehicle, the brakes should be entirely adequate to maintain a speed of 45 or below on that road.
However, the road would be a lot safer if they tore out the median and fancy plantings, widened the lanes, and put a Jersey barrier in the middle.