Double standard? Gillibrand in spotlight after Cuomo scandal

[DonViejo]

By WILL WEISSERT
30 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Kirsten Gillibrand was the first Democratic senator to call for her colleague Al Franken’s resignation in 2017 as he faced allegations of sexual misconduct, building a profile as a leading advocate for women that became the centerpiece of her 2020 presidential bid.

But the New York senator is taking a different approach when it comes to sexual harassment allegations hitting closer to home, those against her state’s Democratic governor, Andrew Cuomo.

In a series of statements, Gillibrand has said accusations of offensive behavior by Cuomo are “serious and deeply concerning” and that the three women “who have come forward have shown tremendous courage.” She has said that the claims against Cuomo are “completely unacceptable” and called for a full investigation — but stopped short of demanding his resignation.

Top Democrats in New York and nationally have similarly refrained from suggesting that Cuomo step down. That includes New York’s senior senator and the chamber’s majority leader, Democrat Chuck Schumer. It’s a far more cautious approach than the parade of Democratic senators who followed Gillibrand’s lead in calling for Franken’s resignation.

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https://apnews.com/article/kirsten-gillibrand-andrew-cuomo-al-franken-resignation-a3735f0f78ed6a8949b34cbc82239023

[JI7]

1. Why make this about Gillibrand ?

[Sur Zobra]

5. Misogyny is definitely

part of why they have a raging hard-on against her

[Dem4Life1102]

6. Because they love to demonize her

What the article omits is that over 30 other Senators called for Franken to resign the same day, some just a few minutes after Gillibrand. It also omits that Gillibrand wasn't even the first to go on national TV to call for Franken's resignation, that was Harris.

[Nixie]

20. Actually what you are omitting is that you couldn't make the connection

as to why Gillibrand has any connection to what de Blasio said about Cuomo.

Here ya' go! A whole article about it....

[Dem4Life1102]

26. No link

[Nixie]

29. Look in your My Posts tab

Then read the almost 24 hours of your repetitive posts.

[Dem4Life1102]

30. Still no link

[Nixie]

31. Did your My Post tab go away?

No recollection at all?

[Dem4Life1102]

32. Still waiting for a link

[Nixie]

33. So you don't remember almost 24 hours of repetitive posts??

You were very insistent for almost 24 hours. Now not so much.

Did you check your My Posts tab?

[Dem4Life1102]

34. And still waiting for a link

But here are two for you.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15184707
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15184831

[Nixie]

35. Do you have real positions? You couldn't forget them so fast,

[Dem4Life1102]

36. Here's another link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15189216

[Nixie]

38. This article should answer your 24 hours of confusion

about why another poster brought up Gillibrand in relation to Cuomo.

[Dem4Life1102]

40. This one is good too

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15185127

[Nixie]

41. 2019 ?

[Dem4Life1102]

42. And another good one

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15184886

[Polly Hennessey]

11. Because she deserves it.

[kcr]

12. Yes, indeed

[onetexan]

45. +1 -K&R

[LizBeth]

13. +1. I am so over the attack on Gilliband for Franken behavior whether he should have walked

away or not. So clear the misdirection.

[Dorian Gray]

44. Good Question

[no_hypocrisy]

2. I have an easy solution to the inconsistent

statements by Gillibrand: publicly and explicitly admit you were wrong about demanding Al Franken resign and that you denied him due process. You assumed he was guilty before all the facts were analyzed. Call Al now and get your press release ready before Noon.

[Thekaspervote]

7. This!

[sop]

3. Franken's Wellstone Progressivism likely had more to do with him being thrown under the bus

than anything else.

[dsc]

4. Largely he had bad timing

we were busy, sensibly it should be noted, pointing out what a complete skeeze Roy Moore was while Franken had his moment.

[PoliticAverse]

14. I think he was just doing too good a job and getting too much TV time for some people. n/t

[Gidney N Cloyd]

8. Maybe she learned a lesson from the Franken debacle.

[BlueStater]

9. What the fuck?

What about Elise Stefanik, who has been absolutely obsessive in her demands that Cuomo resign while never once calling on Trump to do the same? Where’s the article about her blatant and shameless hypocrisy?

[brooklynite]

10. Gillibrand isn't a member of the NYS Government.

And (much good it'll do), a reminder that EVERY Senate Democrat except for Manchin took the same position regarding Franken.

[lark]

15. One word reaction- GRRRRRRRR!

Wish she was this smart back in the day and we'd still have our great senator.

[Dem4Life1102]

16. She was one of 39 senators

So even if she didn’t call for Franken to resign there would have still been 38 other Senators calling for him to do so.

[lark]

17. She lead the charge, and strongly I might add. n.t.

[Nixie]

19. She also accepted help from the Clinton's for YEARS.

Then she says in 2017 that Bill should have resigned over sexual harassment charges.

[MrsCoffee]

24. And Bernie was right there with her yet you insist we need him.

Funny that.

[lark]

43. I think you mistake me for someone else.

Senator Sanders is not my fave and I haven't been a big fan since the Hillary times. I am very glad he got on board the Biden train, though, yes.

[MrsCoffee]

46. Nah, I've seen you post that we need Bernie.

And yet you say you aren’t even a big fan.

But no such leeway given to this woman.

Some of us can see this so clearly. Maybe because we have dealt with it our entire lives.

[lark]

47. We need every Democrat or person who caucuses with them, every single one.

Other than that, nope, swing and a miss. I was for Biden the entire time and immediately chose him as my avatar when we could pick during the primaries. I was for Biden before he was even running, knew he had what America would buy, decency and competence.

Don't know who you are confusing me with?

[MrsCoffee]

48. Probably with this guy.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1117&pid=8782

Was it the Franken thing that put you off?

[Dem4Life1102]

27. So Warren, Sanders, Booker and Harris were all just blind followers?

And Gillibrand wasn't even the first to go on TV to call for Franken's resignation. That was Harris.

&t=8s

[Nixie]

18. Gillibrand accepted help from the Clinton's throughout her career, so there

is no "double standard." Her 2017 comments about Bill Clinton resigning are what distinguishes her from the other politicians. The Clinton brand was good enough for her for years, and then she came out with 2017 comments about Bill. It's just that simple. It's what people are not remembering about her when evaluating the other politician's positions.

Her own words don't recognize her own role in why she of all Senators has been criticized:
“Who is being held accountable for Al Franken’s decision to resign? Women senators, including me,” Gillibrand said in July 2019, about a month before she left the presidential race. “It’s outrageous. It’s absurd.”

[iemanja]

37. "The Clintons"

didn't commit sexual abuse. Bill Clinton did.
But keep blaming women for the actions of men.

[Nixie]

39. Gillibrand accepted help from Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton is an ex President, so he didn’t have to do much to help her. This was after he was President, so you do the math.

[iemanja]

49. Cuomo's actions are not Gillibrand's fault.

It's as though you think her behavior is worse than sexual harassment. In fact, that is the point of your effort at deflection. Gillibrand is vilified because she doesn't cooperate with male supremacy. The days when men can get away with anything are coming to an end. Me Too has shown that women have a right to decide who touches their bodies. That decision does not belong to the men who feel entitled to kiss, touch, grab, fondle, or have sex without a women's consent.

That you blamed Hillary for Bill's behavior by referring to "the Clintons" sexual assault reveals a great deal. In your effort to target Gillibrand in order to defect from the alleged sexual harasser Cuomo, your go to method is to defoul another women.

[Nixie]

50. My comment about Gillibrand was in relation to

her 2017 comments about Bill Clinton. It’s just that simple and doesn’t deserve all this angst and dishonesty about a simple observation.

She accepted “the Clinton’s” help politically, which had nothing to do with Bill’s affair with Monica. So the observation is that Gillibrand (not all women) —- Gillibrand —- might be the one with double standards. She accepted help from a supposedly known sexual harasser when it benefitted her. It’s just that simple.

And have you ever known a MeToo accuser in real life? I do, and this individual is a liar. I have personal and documented experience about her lies which I happily shared with a private detective who knocked on my door about her. So sorry, but I’m not sold on the idea of giving any individual unfettered permission to smear others. This woman I know lied about other women, as well. Some people lie.

[iemanja]

54. Your claim is that Me too accusers are by definition liars

because you know one in real life? Poor men. However do they endure a world in which they can't harass, assault, and rape at will. You sure showed those women.
Your post absolutely confirms my earlier comments. I see you.

[Nixie]

56. Actually, those are all your claims (accusations).

Not mine. Women lying about other women is not about men, as in the MeToo accuser example I gave. It’s about liars.

I’m on to the accusations around here, though, so no worries about what you think you see. Wink.

[Nixie]

51. And Monica admittedly flashed her panties at Bill Clinton.

She should have been fired for that. Who goes around showing their underwear at work? She should have been removed immediately. So where are we getting “sexual assault” about the Bill/Monica affair??

This kind of morphing isn’t good for discussion. Bill had an affair with Monica. Now we’re calling it assault.

[iemanja]

53. No, there were other charges against Bill Clinton

That I don't care to get into. It wasn't just Monica.
And if you don't think Bill Clinton committed any offenses, why are you blaming Gillibrand for "taking help" from "the Clintons"? Just opportunism? ETA: Based on your other post, I see it's far more nefarious than opportunism.

[Nixie]

57. Sorry, but your post doesn't make sense. It gets old

being followed for days about a simple observation with responses that get more and more abstract just to pretend there’s some big gotcha when all I brought up was common sense.

Gillibrand is complaining she is being vilified because she’s a woman and I observed that it was probably about her double standards with Bill Clinton. If he had so many charges against him, then why on earth would she have accepted his help to build her political career?? You’re actually making it worse for her if that’s the case.

[StevieM]

58. Not credible ones.

The best evidence indicates that Clinton's accusers were swift boaters. And every single one of them was connected to Ken Starr.

[Tree Lady]

55. Back in time it was common

JFK, FDR both had mistresses that were well known.

I think when religion started having more say in politics is when it became a big issue, people thought it was normal before.

So long as both people are ok with it, it turns into judgement. With the exception being that our employment laws have changed.

[iemanja]

23. The purpose of vilifying Gillibrand is to double down on the misogyny

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that insists men should never be held accountable for their actions and that women are instead to blame. It's about promoting a culture of male supremacy and impunity for sexual harassment and sexual assault. People can make every excuse to justify such cases, but the ultimate result of such discourse is to ensure that male sexual abuse continues unfettered.

In such cases, men are ALWAYS defended and the women always called liars. That they then turn around and blame a woman for those men's behavior is an extension of those goals.

Note that many male Senators also spoke out against Franken, including Bernie Sanders. Yet those same people would never dream of blaming Sanders. It doesn't fit their agenda.

[MrsCoffee]

25. +1

[Dem4Life1102]

28. Exactly right

[PunkinPi]

52. +1 nt