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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRobert Reich: The hell with bipartisanship.
Bipartisanship is not a goal. Goals are raising the minimum wage, securing voting rights, ending police brutality, getting universal health care, and saving the planet. If these cant be done in a bipartisanship way, the hell with bipartisanship.
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)K&R!
OldBaldy1701E
(5,144 posts)the fantasy is that once the other side see's how correct we are about things, they will come around. The reality is the other side does not care about doing anything but helping themselves and to hell with the rest of us, except when we won't work in their businesses to make them richer. I am with Mr. Reich on this one all the way. We need to issue a warning to the rethugs out there... join or get the hell out of the way. This train is rolling and if they get run over because they won't get off of the tracks, then so be it. All they have to do is move.
OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)work in a bipartisan manner, and if they don't move on without them. It doesn't have to be for very long. But you don't start with "Fuck you" as your default position.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)just to the left of batshit insane. Uncle Joe can move us to actual middle, and he doesn't have to be in "in your face fuck you." But I am wildly OK with subtle "we have things to accomplish" fuck you. Because people are to the point where they have to see actual improvement, bang for their tax dollar or we will be as dead in the water as the Rethugs are right now.
OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)bipartisanship already exists when a bill is supported by a great number of Americans of both/all parties.
It does not require the support of insurrection-suppoting, obstruntionist GOP politicians to be a bipartisan piece of legislation.
Bettie
(16,120 posts)and thanks for pointing out that the "middle" has been shoved to the right. What people call far left these days is pretty standard center in most places.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)would have garnered repug support in the past, something good good for the country as a whole then if we can't get enough votes to pass any of them their out, nuke the filibuster.
OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)VRA through.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)will use any and every attempt by the Dems to be bi-partisan as an adventure to waste time we don't have, or to launch another obstruction................
Hotler
(11,443 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,640 posts)Has been since he was Labor Sec.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)I was hoping he'd have a position someplace in the Biden administration.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)My go to for policy. I read William Greider for economics, LOL, Thank you Rolling Stone, education is where you find it!
JohnnyRingo
(18,640 posts)I like economists who are able to speak workingman's English.
KS Toronado
(17,306 posts)Using ideas & words everyone can understand.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)I dont like it, but they started this s***.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)That's all that should count.
It doesn't matter if they disagree. Our agenda is our agenda.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)We Dems need to continue to be the fact based, Truth based Party.
That is all.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)like the TeaParty. Possibly in the 2022 elections or maybe before. Until they are gone F ... bipartisanship. BUT play it as they would
"Oh , we (Dems) really want this to be a bipartisan vote, law, bla bla bla". But KNOW that it will never be, and only use their rejections to hammer them over the head during the next election(s).
jaxexpat
(6,844 posts)It's not required or even a good thing that the entrenched and intransigent minority (representing an ever-shrinking host) be empowered to block the common will of the vast majority. That was in some of the lies I recall hearing in high school civics; that the will of the minority should be respected and protected because something about a "melting pot" embracing all cultures along with other creative historical narratives straight out of the war-time propaganda machine. That machine's lies are what today's "conservatives" think they remember as the "greatness" of America. We came out on top in WWII but it had more to do with the dead men and women of forgotten villages in Russia and China than any innate national greatness of the American character.
Ford_Prefect
(7,917 posts)And after the arrests begin?
And after the judge rules?
And as they have a dwindling number of GOP members in either chamber?
And after certain members prominent in the vote to overturn the EC results are gone?
Will those remaining feel the need to co-exist and cooperate?
Will those appointed to replace the miscreants feel obliged to improve the atmosphere at the Capitol?
usaf-vet
(6,196 posts)The Democrats
2 .need to ELIMINATE every single voter suppression scams that the repugs try to employ. Let the people VOTE without restrictions.
3. balance the legal system back to a fair system for every American.
4. SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)History's best example.
jimmyzvoice
(159 posts)That's enough bipartisanship for me!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)Add to that that his sensibilities and heart are always in the right place, I almost automatically agree with his opinions, as well as his statements of fact. He should be somewhere in government, if he wants to be.
aggiesal
(8,922 posts)Cha
(297,521 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)Oldem
(833 posts)"to hell with repugnants." Well played, Mr. Reich.
flying_wahini
(6,641 posts)Dont get me wrong, I love Obama. But you cant negotiate with these people.
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I agree 100%!!!
Mary Mac
(323 posts)czarjak
(11,287 posts)lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)They have proven over and over they can't be trusted.
PrinceHakeem
(72 posts)Warpy
(111,329 posts)and simply squashed flat whenever we got the Presidency and Congress. Just run right over them, they will never do the right things for this country, they are too wedded to fallacies like top down thinking and unattainable ends justifying unacceptable means.
Sadly, neither Clinton nor Obama listened to me during the first 2 years of their first terms and both clung to that bipartisan fiction, not realizing the GOP had become a tribal cult whose sole purpose was destroying any Democratic legacy before it ever got started. Obama got the ACA passed, but he had to give up a lot to Republicans and then not a single one voted for the plan.
In normal times, bipartisanship has worked. The unreasonable people were in the Democratic Party before LBJ got the Civil Rights Acts passed. Republicans were often reasonable, just wrong, but open to bargaining. The rise of Gingrich is what killed that illusion stone dead and the GOP has just gotten loonier and more intransigent since then.
Biden was in the Senate and saw the whole thing happen. I have to hope he's talking bipartisanship but readying the steamroller. It's overdue. Now they have demonstrated they're against democracy, itself, even the watered down version we have. You can't negotiate with terrorists and you can't bargain in good faith with men who have none.
Aussie105
(5,420 posts)Sure, give them a chance to have some input.
But if they go NO too loud and too often, just to be obnoxious, treat them like the recalcitrant fools they are, and cut them out of any important decision making.
Their power has waned, both in politics and with the general population.
They are slow to realize that.
Slow to understand the implications of that.
They need to be shown at every opportunity.
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)which is taking it out of the hands of Congress and basing it on the a formula that utilizes the federal poverty level.
By that I mean it adjusts as the federal poverty level adjusts using a that roughly goes like the following.
Single person poverty level for 2020.
$12,760 + 200% = 38280 divided by 52 weeks = 736.15 a week divided by 40 hours = 18.40 an hour and that is what the minimum wage then becomes.
Yes, there will be some increase in prices as businesses adjust but in the end it would make the financial situation as whole better for millions of Americans.