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Sadly, I think Derek Chauvin will walk. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Mar 2021 OP
I'm worried the Twin Cities will burn down if he isn't declared guilty Blue Owl Mar 2021 #1
It has a Hung Jury written all over it. aeromanKC Mar 2021 #2
So depressing.. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #3
Don't think jury will acquit him, but it could hang with one or more Hoyt Mar 2021 #4
So far it's my understanding that 5 people out of 14 have been seated in two days. rsdsharp Mar 2021 #5
They had set aside 3 weeks for jury selection dflprincess Mar 2021 #7
Good lord! The only jury selections I've seen take that long rsdsharp Mar 2021 #8
well this has been a case with non stop nation wide coverage for months dsc Mar 2021 #25
Possible jurors were first sent a 14-page questionnaire. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #6
I concur about being glad dflprincess Mar 2021 #10
We could have had fun on that jury, Ocelot II Mar 2021 #12
Not hardly. There is a Black AG and he will use his influence. No one wants... brush Mar 2021 #9
It only takes one racist or one who love cops to hang it. Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #22
It was announced today that 3rd degree murder was just reinstalled as one of the charges. brush Mar 2021 #26
I figure manslaughter. But not the 2nd degree murder. 3Hotdogs Mar 2021 #11
Looks like the prosecution won its appeal wrt keeping the third-degree murder charge. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #13
Good. nt crickets Mar 2021 #16
... Faux pas Mar 2021 #14
Murder is a state crime. However, a federal grand jury has been convened Ocelot II Mar 2021 #15
Thank you! Faux pas Mar 2021 #23
Agree 🙁 nt Raine Mar 2021 #17
no way Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #18
Based on history your feelings are well founded uponit7771 Mar 2021 #19
I expect the defense will play up cops doing their job. Jim__ Mar 2021 #20
The US is quite racist, so it is certainly possible. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #21
will walk or be carried to his permanent jail cell Demonaut Mar 2021 #24

Blue Owl

(50,437 posts)
1. I'm worried the Twin Cities will burn down if he isn't declared guilty
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:15 AM
Mar 2021

The video footage shows he is guilty, case closed.

aeromanKC

(3,325 posts)
2. It has a Hung Jury written all over it.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:15 AM
Mar 2021

I feel both sides will get a hardened partisan on their side who will not budge either way. The only good thing about that would be he will never be acquitted.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Don't think jury will acquit him, but it could hang with one or more
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:17 AM
Mar 2021

trumpsters.

Still hopeful they will do right thing, whatever that is.

rsdsharp

(9,186 posts)
5. So far it's my understanding that 5 people out of 14 have been seated in two days.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:18 AM
Mar 2021

At this rate it will take more than a full trial week to seat the full jury and alternates. I don’t find that particularly speedy, let alone remarkably so.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
7. They had set aside 3 weeks for jury selection
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:26 AM
Mar 2021

So it's moving much faster than either side thought it would.

rsdsharp

(9,186 posts)
8. Good lord! The only jury selections I've seen take that long
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:30 AM
Mar 2021

is when one side or the other deliberately does something(s) to taint the jury pool, and they have to start over.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
25. well this has been a case with non stop nation wide coverage for months
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 10:25 AM
Mar 2021

while that isn't deliberately tainting the pool it has to have had an effect upon the pool.

Ocelot II

(115,748 posts)
6. Possible jurors were first sent a 14-page questionnaire.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:25 AM
Mar 2021

The ones that are now being questioned are only the ones that made the first cut on the basis of their answers to the questionnaire, so we aren't seeing the kind of lengthy, protracted voir dire that you might expect in a high-profile case. It might have been done this way on account of covid, since the county wasn't holding any jury trials at all until very recently. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just because voir dire is going relatively quickly. What's more important is whether the appellate court orders the trial judge to reinstate the third-degree murder charge, which would give the jury another option and therefore would probably favor the prosecution.

I live in this county and I am very, very glad I wasn't called for jury duty for this case.

brush

(53,794 posts)
9. Not hardly. There is a Black AG and he will use his influence. No one wants...
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:34 AM
Mar 2021

the outrage/damage an innocent verdict would bring.


The whole world saw the tape. There's no way the defense can get around murder witnessed by the whole world.

brush

(53,794 posts)
26. It was announced today that 3rd degree murder was just reinstalled as one of the charges.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:32 PM
Mar 2021

I'm confident that the AG will make sure during voir dire to screen out problematic juror candidates..

Ocelot II

(115,748 posts)
13. Looks like the prosecution won its appeal wrt keeping the third-degree murder charge.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:41 AM
Mar 2021
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/minnesota-supreme-court-won-t-hear-appeal-to-drop-third-degree-murder-charge-in-floyd-death/ar-BB1esUNJ?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

The court of appeals reinstated it and the supreme court refused to hear the defense's appeal. The definition of third-degree murder is this: "Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years." https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

The other charges are second-degree murder, https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19, and second-degree manslaughter, https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205.

Ocelot II

(115,748 posts)
15. Murder is a state crime. However, a federal grand jury has been convened
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:32 AM
Mar 2021

to consider civil rights charges.

Updated March 5, 2021
A new federal grand jury has been empaneled in Minneapolis and the Justice Department has called new witnesses as part of its investigation of Derek Chauvin, the former police officer who will go on trial in state court next month on a murder charge for the death of George Floyd, according to two people with direct knowledge of the investigation.

The fresh slate of witnesses subpoenaed to give testimony about Mr. Chauvin is an early sign that the federal investigation into the death of Mr. Floyd, which began last year and then languished, is being reinvigorated under the administration of President Biden.

Mr. Chauvin, who is white, was seen in harrowing video footage kneeling for more than nine minutes on the neck of Mr. Floyd, a Black man, as he begged for his life. The video set off protests across the United States, some of which led to violence in cities including Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Ore., and Washington, D.C.

It is unlikely that the Justice Department, in presenting evidence to a new grand jury, is hoping for a quick indictment of Mr. Chauvin before his state trial, which is scheduled to begin March 8. But if there was an acquittal or a mistrial, attention would immediately shift to the federal investigation, and to whether Mr. Chauvin would face trial for violating Mr. Floyd’s civil rights. (The charge does not involve race, but is based on the idea that an officer “willfully” violated someone’s constitutional rights, such as protection against unreasonable seizure, or the right to due process.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/us/george-floyd-death-investigation-doj.html

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
20. I expect the defense will play up cops doing their job.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 06:31 AM
Mar 2021

The defense will claim that people really aren't in a position to judge cops. Especially when the cop is acting in real time and the people are passing judgement months later. If cops have to fear being judged for their actions, they'll hesitate putting themselves in danger. They only need 1 juror to accept that argument.

The prosecution does have video and George Floyd was in handcuffs before there was any resistance. Those are strong arguments for the prosecution.

There are people who believe the police can do no wrong. I hope jury selection can eliminate any of those people.

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