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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSadly, I think Derek Chauvin will walk.
Just a git feeling based on the remarkable speed with which the jury is being assembled.
Blue Owl
(50,437 posts)The video footage shows he is guilty, case closed.
aeromanKC
(3,325 posts)I feel both sides will get a hardened partisan on their side who will not budge either way. The only good thing about that would be he will never be acquitted.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)I agree. Watched Judas and the Black Messiah tonight. Nothing's changed.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)trumpsters.
Still hopeful they will do right thing, whatever that is.
rsdsharp
(9,186 posts)At this rate it will take more than a full trial week to seat the full jury and alternates. I dont find that particularly speedy, let alone remarkably so.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)So it's moving much faster than either side thought it would.
rsdsharp
(9,186 posts)is when one side or the other deliberately does something(s) to taint the jury pool, and they have to start over.
dsc
(52,164 posts)while that isn't deliberately tainting the pool it has to have had an effect upon the pool.
Ocelot II
(115,748 posts)The ones that are now being questioned are only the ones that made the first cut on the basis of their answers to the questionnaire, so we aren't seeing the kind of lengthy, protracted voir dire that you might expect in a high-profile case. It might have been done this way on account of covid, since the county wasn't holding any jury trials at all until very recently. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just because voir dire is going relatively quickly. What's more important is whether the appellate court orders the trial judge to reinstate the third-degree murder charge, which would give the jury another option and therefore would probably favor the prosecution.
I live in this county and I am very, very glad I wasn't called for jury duty for this case.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)I didn't get called for jury duty for this one!
Ocelot II
(115,748 posts)but I don't think they'd have kept either of us.
brush
(53,794 posts)the outrage/damage an innocent verdict would bring.
The whole world saw the tape. There's no way the defense can get around murder witnessed by the whole world.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 11, 2021, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)
brush
(53,794 posts)I'm confident that the AG will make sure during voir dire to screen out problematic juror candidates..
3Hotdogs
(12,393 posts)Ocelot II
(115,748 posts)The court of appeals reinstated it and the supreme court refused to hear the defense's appeal. The definition of third-degree murder is this: "Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years." https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
The other charges are second-degree murder, https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19, and second-degree manslaughter, https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205.
crickets
(25,981 posts)Faux pas
(14,682 posts)Is this a state or federal trial? If it's state, and he walks, can't he be charged federally too?
Ocelot II
(115,748 posts)to consider civil rights charges.
A new federal grand jury has been empaneled in Minneapolis and the Justice Department has called new witnesses as part of its investigation of Derek Chauvin, the former police officer who will go on trial in state court next month on a murder charge for the death of George Floyd, according to two people with direct knowledge of the investigation.
The fresh slate of witnesses subpoenaed to give testimony about Mr. Chauvin is an early sign that the federal investigation into the death of Mr. Floyd, which began last year and then languished, is being reinvigorated under the administration of President Biden.
Mr. Chauvin, who is white, was seen in harrowing video footage kneeling for more than nine minutes on the neck of Mr. Floyd, a Black man, as he begged for his life. The video set off protests across the United States, some of which led to violence in cities including Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Ore., and Washington, D.C.
It is unlikely that the Justice Department, in presenting evidence to a new grand jury, is hoping for a quick indictment of Mr. Chauvin before his state trial, which is scheduled to begin March 8. But if there was an acquittal or a mistrial, attention would immediately shift to the federal investigation, and to whether Mr. Chauvin would face trial for violating Mr. Floyds civil rights. (The charge does not involve race, but is based on the idea that an officer willfully violated someones constitutional rights, such as protection against unreasonable seizure, or the right to due process.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/us/george-floyd-death-investigation-doj.html
Faux pas
(14,682 posts)I was thinking his murdering George Floyd was a civil rights violation.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Jim__
(14,077 posts)The defense will claim that people really aren't in a position to judge cops. Especially when the cop is acting in real time and the people are passing judgement months later. If cops have to fear being judged for their actions, they'll hesitate putting themselves in danger. They only need 1 juror to accept that argument.
The prosecution does have video and George Floyd was in handcuffs before there was any resistance. Those are strong arguments for the prosecution.
There are people who believe the police can do no wrong. I hope jury selection can eliminate any of those people.