So the Grand Jury has another tape of the "Former Guy" trying to bribe another official?

[kentuck]

I saw a clip on CNN this morning. They had him on tape. He was telling them how bad everything was in Fulton County and that she would be highly praised if she would do his bidding.

It was most inappropriate, to say the least, and very likely, illegal.

He was at the point where he had no concern for the law or anything else, so long as he could try to win the election.

It was all a precursor to the inciting the insurrection at the Capitol.

What a low-life he is.

[Irish_Dem]

1. It is looking more about setting the stage for Jan 6 and declaring martial law than winning

the election. We wondered why he was even bothering with GA since it did not give him an election win. It was about "proving" the election was rigged so he could declare ML.

[underpants]

2. I think Georgia was so close and it helped him twist the story

Wisconsin was just as close but he went after Georgia.

His MO is to change the story and then declare victory even when he loses - lawsuits, his lawsuits, casinos, etc. This is no different.

[Lonestarblue]

15. He most likely went after Georgia instead of Wisconsin because of the black vote.

I was disappointed after hearing this taoe that the women, I think her name was Frances, did not even try to correct Trump when he claimed he had won and something bad had happened. That was a perfect opportunity for her to tell the truth that he had lost. Why didn’t she?

I think this tape is less damaging than the call to Raffensberger.

[underpants]

16. I agree on the black vote.

[WarGamer]

19. I have the NYT transcript in fron of me re: call with Raffensberger.

What part are you talking about?

I see gibberish and a complete lack of knowledge... I see delusion.

I don't see anything illegal in his WORDS.

[leftieNanner]

3. It's also possible

that he may have thought if he got one of the states to flip the results, then he would be able to go to the others and insist that they do so as well. You are right that Georgia alone would not have changed the result.

I think he definitely was listening to Flynn about the ML bit. If the military hadn't told him POINT BLANK that they would not follow any orders like that, he might have gone ahead and tried it.

[kentuck]

8. My thoughts also...

If he could have gotten Georgia declared for him, he would have declared the other states for himself, throwing into doubt the entire election.

[erronis]

13. dumb listening to stupid. trump and flynn. magats and fox.

There are some smart people in the wings but none of these are those smart people.

[KPN]

14. That's how frigging conniving "it" is! Can you

imagine going through life with your mind constantly in that mode? What manipulation can I do to put me in the best position to get what I want? Not, what can I do honestly and genuinely to give myself the best chances to succeed in achieving my goal, but what can I manipulate and what do I have to manipulate to get what I want?

It’s mind-blowing!

[Irish_Dem]

17. Typical of sociopaths and narcissistic personality disorders. They go thru their whole lives

like this. Claiming victim status, always conniving and manipulating others for gain.
If they spent half as much time doing the right thing they could have been successful.
But they are really too crazy, and cannot think in a normal way.

[leftieNanner]

4. Rachel played some of the tape last night

And she very rarely plays his voice on her show.

It was stunning! C'mon Grand Jury! Do your job!

[Moostache]

5. It is clear to me that two things are certain...

1) Trump studied Hitler and Mussolini in the hopes of becoming a dictator for life
2) Like everything else in his entire life, he was a resounding failure at execution...

The scariest thing is our system's vulnerabilities and our population's propensity for adhering to dictatorial command were laid bare for all to see. It will still take the combination of a conniving gameshow host AND a brilliant strategist to recreate the situation of 06-Jan-2021....but IF that does happen, the world will know another round of fascism and dictators and a very likely 3rd World War with hellish outcomes.

We barely dodged a bullet because the moron with the gun this time is lucky he has people around to tie his shoes and make sure he is not crapping himself and sitting in it for hours. Next time, I doubt we get that lucky twice...

[soothsayer]

6. Two instances could mean RICO

Suave

[bluestarone]

7. And he has NO PARDON!! (unless he secret pardoned himself)

We knew he was dumb, BUT wow huh?

[kentuck]

9. I seriously doubt that would ever hold up in any court?

Not a secret pardon. Not a public pardon. There is no law on Earth that would permit a person to pardon themselves, in my opinion.

[sarcasmo]

10. Former Guy loves the attention

[hibbing]

11. Chris Hayes comment

If this would have been an alderman in Chicago doing this they would have been charged right away, paraphrasing, but that's basically it.


Peace

[kentuck]

12. It was quite interesting that he mentioned January 6th in the call...

He said it was going to be a very important date...

[WarGamer]

18. I heard tapes of him talking to the folks in GA.

Not sure if he's a complete moron or a genius (ok, I know the answer to that) but there's nothing clear in his spoken words.

And probably nothing illegal.

I suggest listening to the tape.

"Something bad happened..."

"The ballots are corrupt..."

"I just want to find 11,780 votes..."

"Did they shred ballots?"

"Dominion moved the machines out..."

"Brad, there's nothing wrong with saying you recalculated..."



Those are the highlights of the Raffensberger call.

Do we all KNOW what he meant? Sure.

But did he actually SAY any of that? no.